The Fallen and the Primes as Ancient Astronauts

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  1. Sol Fury

    Sol Fury The British Butcher Administrator News Staff

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    Another random thought I was batting around at TFcon a few weeks back with Fairlady_Z (partial credit to her for helping me figure this one out)


    In Revenge of the Fallen, the basic outline of the Fallen is that:

    - Long ago, he was a part of an ancient group known as the Primes.
    - He rebelled against them and tried to harvest the sun using a device on Earth.
    - He was defeated by the other Primes.
    - Present day, he lurks in the wreck of a Decepticon ship, inwilling or unable to leave until after Optimus Prime dies, at which point he's fine and dandy.


    Now, I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the basic concept of the ancient astronaut theory, i.e. that some human mythology and folklore was inspired by events beyond human understanding or visitors with advanced technology.

    Let's look at the myth of Prometheus:

    - Long ago, he was one of the ancient Titans, allied with the gods of Olympus.
    - He rebelled against Zeus and the gods of Olympus to steal fire from heaven and bring it to man on Earth.
    - Zeus and the other Olympians defeated him and bound him.
    - In later years, Heracles / Hercules, who was part Olympian, would free him from his bonds.


    So, within the story of Revenge of the Fallen, could The Fallen be Prometheus? Their basic stories are the same, to the point where humanity could have lost the details in the shroud of myth and only remembered the basics i.e. stealing "fire" (the sun) from "heaven" and bringing it to Earth (where the solar harvester was concealed).

    That would suggest that The Fallen was less unable to take action, but more bound within a prison until the last true descendant of the Primes went offline and broke whatever it was that was used to bind him.

    It also ties in to a throwaway line from Epps, about how "if god made us, who made them" as it'd be looking at the whole mythological backdrop of the story. In general, it ties into that whole thing that they seemed to be setting up, though it never went anywhere. A pity, though at least with all the Cybertronian artifacts kicking around in Prime we might see some more there.
     
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    I never really noticed the similarity with the Prometheus myth.....FRAG, that rhymed.
     
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    Nice. Never thought about until today. I am a huge fan of Greek Mythology.
     
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    so that means in bayverse the Greeks called The Fallen Promethus
     
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    Nice comparison. I had never noticed that til you had mentioned it. The Greek civilization is the birth place of literature and the arts so it's not surprising that a TF character has his origins in Greek Mythology. We are all familiar with the Disney fairytales, like Snow White, Cinderella, etc. Most of the stories originate from old German novels and stories. Some are very similar just adapted for children. It is not uncommon to borrow a character or story to have a basis in something written earlier.
     
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    It's kinda funny that they were allowed to film in Egypt because Zahi Hawass was a big fan of the first movie, but he FUCKING HATES the Ancient Astronaut theory.
     
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    I like the idea.
     
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    prometheus prime?
     
  9. Sol Fury

    Sol Fury The British Butcher Administrator News Staff

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    Well, it does if you accept my little fan interpretation of the plot, there's a parallel there but I'd wait until a writer confirms that was what they were thinking of before taking it as read ;) 
     
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    Soo, was Laserbeak eating his liver all that time, or something?
     
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    thats a cool idea. I doubt that the writers for Revenge of the Fallen had Prometheus in mind.
     
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    Hey! You forgot the most important thing! Prometheus stole fire from Olympus to GIVE light to the people! But the Fallen would robe us of light - to destroy the sun! Where is the connection?? Rather, he is the opposite of Prometheus!
    Although this article is still interesting. The ancients humans believed in the power and timelessness of the Pyramids, their relation to the stars and the sun, their great kings are buried there, etc. Also the legend of Prometheus can be composed by ancient people like memory about coming of the First Primes on Earth. It's likely that Seekers took care about "adjusting" the legend so people can not resist the destruction of the sun, if the Fallen will return to Earth.
     
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    [​IMG]


    I'm sorry...
     
  14. Sol Fury

    Sol Fury The British Butcher Administrator News Staff

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    Actually, you've answered your own question. The Fallen wanted to take the sun (fire) from the sky, and bring it to Earth using his solar harvester. Over time as the details were forgotten and passed into myth, mankind forgot some of the details, and it corrupted into "taking fire from Olympus to bring it to the Earth" - they just lost the little detail of what happens to the sun afterwards.
     
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    That's actually really cool.
     
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    To answer your question, OP [​IMG]
     
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    According to the IDW Comics, the Fallen and the other Primes are the children of Primus, the first Cybertronian.

    And yeah, in the movieverse, the Cybertronians have played a big role in the shaping of human history. Prometheus being analogous to the Fallen would be reasonable in the universe of the movies.
     
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    None of what you said just rhymed.
     
  19. Karhukjnsi

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    This post along with your current avatar mixes so well together.
     
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    "With" and "Myth."
     

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