you know what the plot reminds me of?

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  1. transformervic1

    transformervic1 HI!

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    I never make threads that people react saying "really, you HAD to make a thread for this?" But I was thinking about the AOE plot(or speculated, close-to-accurate plot) and thought, holy $%&*, half the plot is The Inredibles plot.

    Super Heroes are outlawed
    Someone's killing the super heroes
    That "someone" is essentially the villain, but goes out and portrays them self as the hero.

    Transformers are outlawed
    KSI, led by Harold Attingers is hunting and killing them all
    Joshua, under Attinger, wants to sell manmade TFS in place of autobots

    The only thing is Lockdown. Just thought it was interesting, not saying they ripped them off, but pretty cool.
     
  2. jorge-WEST

    jorge-WEST Well-Known Member

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    Thats very interesting! never thought of it that way :) 
     
  3. meinefliege4711

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    First Iron Man 3
    Now Transformers 4
    Are there any original plots out there??? :lol 
    Jokes aside: That is pretty interesting! Good catch! :D 
     
  4. MasterZero

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    DAMN IT. I was gonna make an Iron Man 3 "How It Should Have Ended" Joke.

    Well played, you.
     
  5. TheSoundwave

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    The plot reminds me of...the last 3 movies: The humans hate the Autobots, want them dead/leave Earth, the bad guys show up with some ancient weapon, and the Autobots have to prove themselves. This guy needs to quit reusing the same story over and over again.
     
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    G.I. Joe Renegades?
     
  7. KlownyKritter

    KlownyKritter Rogue Maniac

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    I think Lockdown would represent the giant round robot that went haywire in the incredibles
     
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    jametron Release the Kraken!!!!!!!

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    Watchmen?
     
  9. transformervic1

    transformervic1 HI!

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    Really? Because last time I checked:

    1st movie: TFs show up, autobots and decepticons search for cube with humans in the middle of it

    2nd movie: ONLY Galloway thinks the autobots should bail, with the rest of the world ONLY JUST THEN finding out about the TFs. The whole world hunts for sam, the fallen this & that, blah blah blah

    DOTM was the ONLY TF movie with the type of plot you've listed above. And even then, at a point in the movie they mentioned only 50% of people in the US/world wanted the autobots gone, not the WHOLE world.

    So NO, Bay's NOT reusing the same exact plot of each movie. IDK where you're getting that from.
     
  10. Scorpio

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    That sort of situation works with most films nowadays - such as;

    Transformers; DOTM
    X-Men; Days Of Future Past
    Kick-ass
    Watchmen
    The Dark Knight
    Pirates Of The Caribbean
    Etc...

    But I do get your point - it is similar to The Incredibles. Truth is anything condensed to basic plot points will have similarities, I still remember reading articles comparing Pacific Rim to Transformers because the two do have obvious similarities as with all films in the 'Robot Vs.' category.

    Summing it down to the basic plot points TheSoundwave does have a point.

    - Super Heroes are outlawed
    - Someone's killing the super heroes
    - That "someone" is essentially the villain, but goes out and portrays them self as the hero.

    - Transformers are outlawed from their own world, essentially forced to run and hide for their own survival
    - Decepticons are killing the Transformers
    - The Decepticons view themselves as the heroes as shown in each film (especially Megatron and Sentinel)

    If you cut anything down to the basic plot points then their are similarities. TheSoundwave is pointing out that at a basic level the films are the same. Regardless of whether you believe that is a good or bad thing their are a lot of similarities between the film trilogy when we look at it on a basic level.

    - Autobots Vs Decepticons
    - Optimus fights main villain at the end
    - Human character (Or characters) who dislikes the Autobots who ends up getting a comeuppance by being proven wrong or humiliated (Simmons, Galloway, Charlotte Mearing)
    - Object that has the means to restore Cybertron (Allspark, Sun Harvester, Pillars)
    - Secret military organisation that is connected to the Transformers (Sector Seven, N.E.S.T.)
     
  11. MasterZero

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    Originality has been dead for years.

    I can list all the Marvel movies as

    Villain wants something. (Cosmic Cube and world domination for Red Skull, Iron Man technology for Iron Monger, More Power for Abomination, War for Killian, Revenge for Whiplash, the Aether for Malakeith, Asgard for Loki).

    Originality has been dead for a loooong time. Only difference is in the details.
     
  12. gamerdude627

    gamerdude627 Superior to the Constructicons

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    I agree with this.
     
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    Yes, the concept of the bad guy using the good guy's own powers/weapons/tactics against him is thousands of years old. It's one of the most commonly used elements in good vs evil stories.

    That's not to say it's unoriginal. The WAY in which the bad guy(s) do this varies, the effects vary, etc. A lot can be done with the basic concept.

    You do NOT need an original concept to make an original story. In fact, a lot of times working within a pre-existing concept and doing the details really well, or adding a good twist, results in something better than some off-the-wall totally original thing.
     
  14. 03Mach1

    03Mach1 Logic has been replaced with blind ignorance.

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    Talk to the writers.
     
  15. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    ^This, and I couldn't care less. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is so grand.

    Make the characters fun and interesting and the action thrilling and I'm good to go.
     
  16. MasterZero

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    It is grand. I never said it wasn't. Avengers isn't really original. Its ambitious, cool, and great. But is it really filled with twists and turns? Heroes have to work together, but first they have to stop arguing with each other. Classic work.

    Avengers isn't original. But it is a good film.
     
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    As do I. If you can think of a truly original story these days you're a pure genius because everything has been pretty much done already in one way or another.
     
  18. EpicTransformer

    EpicTransformer The Quiet One...

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    Heh. You guys just wait until I get to Hollywood ;) 
     
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    Originality is only as dead as we make it.
    If we're content to watch the same thing over and over again, then that's all they'll give us. Movies (and all fiction) have been around for years, so many ideas have been used, but the possibilities and combinations are endless. They could come up with fresh, creative plots if they tried, but they just keep giving us the same one over and over again.
    George Lucas also copied from others, but even he came up with new ideas for each Star Wars film.
     
  20. MasterZero

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    Try to make an original idea. Right now.

    Just, try it.

    Really, we all know how most movies end already.

    Good wins, evil loses.

    The only question is how much good loses.

    And about George Lucas, for a time he had what you could call original films, but now his movies are tired cliches. Love Makes Your Evil. I Am Your Father. As time moves on, originality dies. Not to say that's a bad thing, you don't need to be original to be good.