X-Transbots MX Series Berserkars / Monolith (Stunticons/Menasor)

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  1. minstral

    minstral It's all about G1 Masterpiece

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    It's this video
     
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    I used this video as well. There were parts where I had to look at other videos. Mainly due to his lack of lighting. Used Bobbys and Ben's to check and make sure.
     
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    Well, I tried playing with him a bit more. I'm less enthused. He looks amazing... Like, I've done a complete 180 since the beginning. But...

    There are too many loose joints and flimsy panels as previously noted by others. Those knee screws... Even though mine are "tight", it's such a tiny connection point that bending the knees is scary, even when doing my best to apply force in the safest ways.

    I'm sure I could get him into some decent poses, but I don't trust the joints to hold and it's not worth the effort to tediously position each joint to only put him back into a more stable position for the shelf.

    The A-stance seems stable enough at least, so that's how he'll live out his life. Handsome, stoic, and untouched except to dust (and to replace that thigh if XTB sends a replacement).

    I'm keeping him so I guess I got my money's worth.

    PXL_20210303_042120438.jpg
     
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  4. Delduwath

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    Got mine on Sunday, went through the trailer-to-Menasor transformation, and ended up with the same tab hanging off in the same way. I don't think it was like that out of the box, but I didn't do a thorough inspection. All I'm certain about is that I didn't break it through some direct action; I was just fiddling with something on the other side of the body, rotated him around, and suddenly noticed the broken tab. Maybe it was like that out of the box; maybe my moving some other part bent that panel against something. It's a little frustrating, since I don't even know how it happened, and since replacing this panel would involve removing multiple pins. I'll probably just leave it, since I don't think it's of structural importance.

    Some disorganized overall thoughts:
    • After seeing a lot of frustration in this thread with the transformation, I was equal parts nervous and excited to experience it first hand. Fortunately, I found it to be pretty reasonable, although it must be said that I watched Transforms Into A Guitar's essential videos a few times when they came out, so they were in the back of my mind. @Mykltron , that's you, right? Huge thank-you!
    • I think on the macro level, the transformation is extremely straight-forward: split the back into two halves, pull out the arms and fold up the sides of the trailer to become the sides of the torso, push the trailer wheels through the bottom of the trailer to the other side, shape the torso, split the front of the trailer into two halves, fold the two halves inside out to make the lower legs, pull out and shape the legs. Unfortunately, at the micro level, the transformation is incredibly fiddly, unforgiving, and has a lot of "do this thing before doing that thing" where the order of operations isn't immediately obvious. The sheer size and weight of the thing makes everything 10x harder, too. Overall, to me this feels like a transformation that works well in CAD, and less well with a physical object that's subject to laws of physics.
    • The lower leg-to-knee joint connection is absolutely unforgivable. The screws on mine seem to be well-seated, I didn't see any gaps, there's no shearing, etc, but the entire connection point is a plastic cylinder with a narrow diameter, the parts held together by a tiny screw. If I try to bend the knee and apply pressure anywhere on the lower leg, a gap between the knee and the lower leg starts to open up. I really need to manipulate the knee directly, which suuuuucks because the joint it so tight. This definitely should have been designed some other way (for starters, a wider and longer cylinder for the rotation joint to create a stiffer connection would have been nice).
    • The final product looks absolutely magnificent. I haven't had the time to plug all the bots in yet, so going off of just the Menasor skeleton, but I'm really smitten with it. I think there's a lot to be said for DX9's efforts, there are a lot of positives (like a transformation that doesn't make you break out in cold sweat...), but in terms of looks, I absolutely prefer this XTB version.
    • The Menasor head's limited up-and-down movement is a bummer.
    • I wish the feet were designed such that the front and the back would slide apart together. As-is, you kinda have to slide one end apart a little, then the other, then the first one a little more, etc.
    • I'm a little perplexed by the reports of the waist coming apart when people pick up the torso. Mine is rock-solid. I can only assume that something in the waist isn't getting plugged in fully (and no shame in that, it took a lot of force at an awkward angle to make the tabs click in for me).
    For the most part, I'm really loving this guy. I'll see if I still feel the same after I have time to do the transformation back to trailer.

    Right?! It's unbelievable!
     
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  5. rendsora

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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. One of the most thorough text review of XTB Menasor trailer I've ever read.
     
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    Also while we're accumulating links, this is the stop motion one I used which does legs first, and has going back to trailer as well (haven't tried that yet)

    My only criticism of that vid is I could not see the step where you have to pull out the spring loaded peg to bend the waist.

     
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    What's funny? Watching a good instructional video can't make something easy?

    Anyway, I thought it was pretty easy without watching any video. But then I'm absolutely badass.
     
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    Received my Monolith from TCP yesterday and spent a portion of the evening transforming it with the help of Transforms Into A Guitar's video.

    I honestly cannot say I ran into any horrifically frustrated situations. Most of the transformation, although complex, was straight forward and understandable...THANKS TO THE VIDEO! I couldn't dream of transforming this thing efficiently with only the instructions as my guide.

    I think a couple of the transformations within the upper torso and the waist rotation were the most nail biting moments. Other than that, it all came together nicely.

    My only fix was taking a heat gun to the tip of one of its horn to straighten it out.

    I have my team in robot mode but not sure if I'm in any rush to get them in combined mode anytime soon. I will eventually but to be honest....Monolith doesn't look bad by itself! LOL!

    I didn't get the accessory pack but I think I may reconsider now that I've got this guy in hand. Yea it's a bummer to pay more but I'm already invested so I might as well go the rest of the way.

    I have the DX9 team and they are fully combined. Build wise, the DX9 is solid. Aesthetically however, XTB wins out. I don't mind the fragility of it much but I've only had it for less than 24 hours and I haven't completed the full combined mode with the bots yet. So we'll see.

    I'm ready for a Defensor, a Computron and an Abominus.
     

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  9. SquishyOH

    SquishyOH Votes MPG-07 = Mixmaster

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    Finally figured out what I was doing wrong with tabbing in the waist. Trying to view the YouTube guide on a 2" cellular telephone screen was my #1 problem. Somehow I managed to get the two slotted edges along the bottom flipped 180 degrees so they were just too low for the torso to tab into them. I used Transforms into a Guitar's video, but then switched to Ben's Review and finally saw something that tipped me off that the slots were the wrong way around.
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    So the team is all together except for Motormaster who is hanging out at the office and missed the class photo. I think he's going to stay out and I'll wait for some clever member to 3D print a back closure piece.
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    Overall I like the combined mode. If I get one figure transformed back to vehicle and combined each night then I should be ready to assemble by the end of this weekend.
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    Does anyone want to remind me of the trick to splitting Dead End? I remember seeing complaints that pushing his button doesn't actually release the two halves. That's my problem. None of the videos I've found on YouTube spend time showing how to work around this and split him. Any pointers? I think someone said to unscrew his crotch and disassemble him last page, but I'm hoping for something less drastic.
     
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    Disassembling Dead End's hips isn't that bad actually. It's only one screw and I've found that transforming him for combiner mode after he's been split is pretty easy.
     
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  11. Sy-Rein

    Sy-Rein Rogue Stunticon

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    Ya, you don't actually have to disassemble him, just loosen the screw enough to ease the peg out, then tighten the screw back up.
     
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    SquishyOH Votes MPG-07 = Mixmaster

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    That makes me feel better. Loosen screw and Dead End comes apart. Got it!
     
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    edgecrusher TFW2005 Supporter

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    Hell, I can't think of a 3P figure where I haven't watched a video while transforming it. Like I'm going to risk breaking or scratching something on it. Pfffft. :) 
     
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    Oh man that was an ordeal. Glad it's over. If I ever want to see trailer mode again I think I'd rather buy another one than transform it back. Menasor.jpg
    S1 and 2 shelf comin along.
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    Well...I held off for a while, but against my better judgement I ordered the trailer from Agabyss last night. Need a finished Menasor and I'm not starting over with another company...:cool: 
     
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    Good summary! my main concerns are the floppy chest piece. they should have had a hole and tab to plug in so it doesn't flop around so much.

    I really wished the hip ratchets were stronger. I could not be bothered opening up the hip joints like I did with TFC uranos, when he did the splits due to weak ratchets.

    the ankle joints were a little loose I found.

    friction joints for the forward and back movements and friction joints for the knees was a somewhat puzzling choice.

    I really wished they had explosive ratchets like zeta superion.

    xtb menasor was perhaps not designed to do wide stances, but which combiner does that anyway?
     
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  17. TRANZ4MR

    TRANZ4MR General Thud

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    Well, mine arrived yesterday, and of course I was too [email protected] busy to even get it out of the shipping box.:banghead: 
    Hopefully I get to spend 4 hours with it tonight! :lolol 

    Hey guys,

    Do we have 100% confirmation (as in someone here has tried it with theirs) that the Youth Version (Toy Deco) limbs connect to the original Motormaster (trailer) frame?!?
    I know the colors will be a bit off, especially on the arms, but I need to know before a make a purchase! THANKS!!!
     
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  18. Chris C137

    Chris C137 Costs less than an empty Fanstoys box.

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    I have all the Youth bots released so far and they all connect to the toon Menasor same as the toon bots. The colours on the arms are a definite mismatch though. Why not wait for the Youth Menasor trailer though if you've got the Youth bots?
     
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    The Toon Menasor is the only bot for me. :cool: 
    However, since Motomaster doesn't HAVE to be stuck inside him, AND because he's a gorgeous bot as is, this may be my 1st time displaying the
    Combiner AND the team together. And I've already managed to double up on two more.
    Wildrider seems EXTREMELY hard to come by now. So if the T-version fits, he may be easier to find. And his color isn't much different in car mode...
    ESPECIALLY for the back of a leg!
    Just my :2c: 

    While I'm at it... If anyone does have an extra Toon or Toy deco Flipout/Wildrider, even scratched up (that is, as long as the car looks NICE), hit me up!
    I'd love to work out a deal!
     
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    Toon flipout is being reissued in a few months
     
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