Winston Churchill's grandson speaks on Blenheim Palace

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  1. IGotTheTouch

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    Source: Transformers 5: Winston Churchill's Grandson Responds
    Sorry if this was already posted. Also, haven't posted very much for a while now. It's good to be back. :) 
     
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    Proof that once again, people love to blow shit out of proportion.
     
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    I have to disagree with Churchill's grandson as the man hated the Nazi's with a bloody passion If he was alive I just cannot see him allowing Blenheim used to portray Hitler's HQ. In a movie some other way yes, that i could see but not as a Nazi HQ.

    I do not blame surviving British WWII vets for being outraged.
     
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    'wretched veteran' ... Classy. Can't say that i know much about Churchill, but somehow I don't think he and his grandson would see eye-to-eye... In fact, I rather think Churchill would kick his ass for disrespecting any WWII veteran like that, even one he disagreed with.
     
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    So here's another person who thinks he knows a man (and a politician, at that) he's only read about or seen clips of on tv, more than an actual blood relation who actually spent time growing up with the man.

    Wow. The amount of delusion on display here is spectacular.

    This is amazing. You start off by admitting you don't know much about the man, but then you still put forward an opinion of what you think he would have thought...based on nothing.
     
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    Fair point. I'll grant you that. Now defend the name calling by Soames.
     
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    To be fair, Michael Bay is doing the exact same thing:
    Since everybody is on about how much of a rather deplorable and angry person Churchill was, I really don't think he would be happy about the symbol of his archnemesis being prominently displayed specifically on his house in any context. And Transformers can't hide behind the 'historical' argument because it is fiction, not historical recreation.
     
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    You see, things don't need to make sense when talking about Michael Bay, the guy who raped my childhood and killed Transformers, and whatever stupid stuff people say.
     
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    There are vast quantities of written material including much by Churchill himself showing his dislike of Nazis in general and Hitler in specific. I am suspicious of the grandson's statement due to the strong possibility that he is trying to push back at a negative reaction to an action for which he may be making a tidy sum.
     
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    Why? What does it have to do with anything? I'm not an expert on Soames OR Churchill. But I'm an expert on my own grandfather, so I understand what Soames is talking about here. If someone tried to tell me they knew my grandfather better than me because they read about him in a book, I'd either be amused or disgusted by their disconnect to reality.
     
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    I honestly don't care what Churchill would say or do. That wasn't the point of my post. The point was that it's unbelievably disrespectful to call any WWII veteran 'wretched' for any reason. I would expect better from a 68-year-old public servant... but maybe that's acceptable in the U.K.
     
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    Seems to me that the only opinion that really matters the most is the current owner of the property who has the power to grant or deny privilege to Bay and his crew.
     
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    I think you're misinterpreting the use of 'wretched'. It can be used to simply mean 'in a bad state'. I think he's implying that the newspapers take advantage of elderly veterans who may not be fully aware and prompt hyperbolic responses.
     
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    Fair enough. I guess that would take it out of the insulting category and move it to the condescending category...still not a flattering thing to say any way that you look at it. But you're probably right, he's probably trying to say that the newspaper is preying on elderly veterans.
     
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    If I may insert a little context into the debate? Technically, Blenheim Palace wasn't Churchill's house. He was born there, but it belongs to the Duke of Marlborough, who is a distant relative of Sir Winston Churchill's. The Ninth Duke was his first cousin; we're on Duke #12 now.

    My opinion on the whole matter? It's comically distasteful, but the family can do whatever they please with their estate.
     
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    I can't call it distasteful until I see it's context on screen next year.
     
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    /thread and every thread like it.
     
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    Seriously? The movies began after your childhood.
     
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    I think people are blowing this out of proportion and don't understand the context. For all we know they could have messed with time and the Nazis could have invaded England in the screwed up timeline. Context goes a long way. Plus, the family is okay with it so I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show.

    This is as bad as the SJW's that blew up after people said they weren't going to see 2016 Ghostbusters because it doesn't look good....Ugh....