I don't think we should get hung over on one person's opinion about the movie and considered the comment as validation.

If I recall correctly, there was a poll done and the large majority of the movie going audience went to see the movie because of the robots.

 

Lord of the Rings is a different story. I personally don't know much about Tolkien but even if its a children's bedtime story, isn't that where the passion in the writing would come from? Not writing just to make money but to entertain your kids. The problem with transformers is that at its roots the fiction was made to make profit that's all the other guys saying I think. but I agree that any concept including transformers has potential.

 

If only...if only.

 

Well mate, it was a success except for some fanbase (cos there is also movie-fanbase (and some other weird vintage loving transformers TV show like G1, G2, Beast Wars and Beast Machines that loved it (like me). What I mean is that for the franchise it was a huge success, why? well it was the first TRANSFORMERS live-action movie ever made, so it's ok if they get things wrong. It is a huge leap for us all fanbase cos it opens a lot of opportunities for new directors and offers usefull info of how important this franchise is for the general public (how much money the franchise collected with the movies). I think it's just a matter of time till someone get things right (Like Nolan and his Batman movies).

BTW I enjoyed the movies, I really love the visuals, the transformations, the transformers design, etc.
I just like to think that the same happened in the LOTR movies as a book fan they just omitted and messed a lot of things but I really liked PJ's vision of the LOTR lore (what I mean is that if I wanna be a franchise loving nazi I'd have hated the whole movie version. Just pretend you know nothing about it and enjoy the visuals).

 

Movies are like wine

OMG you just didn't said that xD LOTR is in a whole another lvl, it just didn't start as a bedtime story, he started it while on WWI, it's a personal goal, he couldn't care less about his sons getting a "bedtime story". He just wanted to give England back it's lore. Anglo-Saxons left nothing except for Beowulf their only piece of english lore. LOTR serves as an English background history (that's what Tolkien originally intended to do).

You just can't compare the complexity of the storyline. PERIOD.

Ps. Just saying, I really hate movie critics, people see them as movie authorities and they are only just people that think the movie was ok or not (their thinking it's not the ultimate truth). If you think Cody Banks is an awesome movie then it is an awesome movie. I like to see movies as wine; there is not such thing as "the best wine ever" the best one is the one you like the most.

 

i think people just like to complain about anything they possibly can. they search everything for something they don't like, and go on and on and on and on about it. i have a disability(autism) which makes socialising very hard, but gives me an intense obsession with a few specific things. one of which being the transformers trilogy. i have found nothing worth complaining about, after watching them over and over again since the first one in 2007. if i were to complain about it, it would be just to be annoying. when normal eople find anything they don't like, they bitch about it. my favourite director is michael bay, and his transformers trilogy is my biggest obsession. i really don't care if anyone else hates it, or if its not identical to the g1 series. when the g1 series first came out, people would have complained about it just was much as they did, and continue to complain about the new trilogy.

 

I hate people who hate all critics, granted many critics are fools but to hate all critics and to say they all don't know what they are doing is stupid.

A Critic will see many many many films, many more than average, so they have a better stick to judge films against than the average person.

If you've only ever eaten 2 pieces of cheese and you think one of them is the best cheese ever. That's fine for you, but there are many more cheeses out there and once you have tried a lot more of them you will maybe realise that the cheese you thought was the best ever has flaws you didn't notice because you hadn't tasted better cheese.

Or you may have been right all along.

And even then judging a movie is usually based on 50% Unbiased Quality of Workmanship & 50% Biased Personal Taste. But this can vary wildly.

For example you can say that Heavy Metal has some questionable animation a slim script and a juvenile mentality.
But if you have a personal taste of the type that that film fulfills you're probably going to stick up for it more because in that type of film the choice is slim indeed. So your personal taste portion will go up disproportionately.

On the other hand if you are not that bothered by the type of film it is as that's not catering to your personal taste you will judge it more purely on it's Workmanship merits. Which as I said above are dubious.

What you need is to find a critic who has similar personal tastes and allegiances, then you will not go, far, wrong.

 

Indeed. It's like you take notice of the opinion of friends if they have a similar outlook on life as you do. I wouldn't go to a sports fan for advice on what to watch on telly as I hate sports. But I would go to a fan of sci-fi and other things I like as I know I'll get opinions based on the things I have an interest in.

And in the end why hate any critics? It's not like if a critic says a movie is great you have to go see it, or if a critic says a movie sucks you can't go watch it. Critics are nothing more or less than guides. You can take or leave their advice and opinions.

It's just more of that 'Someone hates what I like so they must be wrong' nonsense.

 

You mean that long toy commercial back in 86?

 

I think he means Starformers

 

You say that like it's a bad thing

 

I hate this thread with a passion. Go ahead and make a movie with the amount of robot interaction you desire and see if it will be green-lit with a budget that is required of such desires.

FYI...I love G1 for what it was and the culture it started...but that was some of the worst written and voice acting shows I have ever seen.

 

People seem to have this strange idea that if you read what a critic has written then somehow you have given over all your free will and you are driven by an unholy power to only watch the films the critic gave excellent reviews of.

Interviews will make it sound like every movie is the best movie ever. Trailers are designed only for the purpose of putting butts in seats. Pretty much every word Hollywood puts out about a movie is designed to sell tickets. Since I don't like buying movie tickets to bad movies I figure it's worth my time to see what people who know something about movies but aren't selling me a ticket have to say about the movie. I can always disagree and see the film anyhow if what doesn't work them sounds like it would work for me.

 

This is exactly what I see when I see ppl moaning about the movies.

See what I did there?

I just take them for what they are, summer blockbusters with lots of special effects, they were a fun cpl of hours and I leave the cinema and get on with my life......I've seen alot worse just like I've seen alot better. Life goes on. Why ppl dissect and live and die by a movie is beyond me.

 

Except very few 'hatorz' are going 'Shut up and stop saying how much you like the movies!!' whereas the person you're quoting my reply to was saying essentially that about people voicing their negative opinions. I have utterly no problem with people saying that they like the movies. But I do have a problem with posts like this 'Boo hoo. You're all meanies for not liking what I like and should just shut up' nonsense below:

I severely doubt anyone lives and dies by this or any movie.

Wow. You actually posted that old chestnut of 'If you think you can do better then I'd like to see you try'? Next you'll be saying something about 'true fans'...

 

I get what your saying but from someone that barely comes to this sub forum it's all the same......just masses of bitching and whining on both sides. There seems to be no middle ground.....you're an idiot if you like them, you're an idiot if you don't......ppl need to back up and get a little perspective. They are merely summer blockbuster special effects fests that make a rather large sum of money. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

I love people in the middle ground - they're the kind of people I can have a good bit of debate with without them turning on the persecution complex.

There are far more of those middle ground people here than you'd think. But so often a handful of people from both sides of the extreme ends see someone posting an innocent opinion, negative or positive, and all they take from it is 'Hator!!' or 'BayFanzi!!' and just want those opposing views to go away so they don't have to deal with seeing them.

I'm all for people having their say as long as they don't want to deprive others of having theirs too.

Sure these are just movies, but they're movies of something many people have been a part of since 1984 so those people are going to be invested in wanting the best for the franchise and for it to be seen by the wider general public in the best light possible.

For a lot of what some people call 'Hatorz' it's actually far more disappointment than hate. And surely there's no great harm in people voicing their disappointment and wanting what they consider 'better' for the franchise?

 

True, I can totally accept that we as a fandom have a little more invested in them than your laymen who have no idea who Ravage or Scoponok are and I know all fandoms have their fair share of extremists and knee jerkers but some of the posts I read are like they have been physically violated and that tends to be from those that don't like them....it's a little ridiculous.

I guess it all comes back to perspective and I'm guessing alot of the ppl that frequent this corner don't see the wider picture as they are normally embroiled in some kind of flamefest  

Anyways, as you were, I was just explaining a perspective that I don't see much.

 

I think the lesson we can all learn from this thread is this:

You can and never will be able to please the fans.

I think the other lesson we can learn from this thread is this:

These movies aren't made for US specifically, they're made for a larger audience who might know little to nothing of the franchise to begin with other than "OH YEAH TOYS." They have to broaden the storylines for a movie that everyone will understand.

The biggest statement all of you can make, instead of whining on a forum, is with your wallet. If you really, truly hate the Bay movies, don't buy a ticket. Walk away from the movie forum, switch your homepage to the "no movie news" mode, and forget it existed.

It literally is simple as that.

 

You're still pretty much lumping anyone who doesn't really like, or love the films as people who HATE the films.

You don't just love or hate, we aren't all 5, well most of us.

You can think a film is below average, you'll still go see it because it has aspects that you like that you don't get elsewhere, but you don't consider it a good movie.