When it comes to following rules, it's more about following thread topics rather than posting quirks. Yeah, we're admittedly going off topic in here, but I think when we go into a thread, and we get into the same debates in every thread, it kind of takes away from the uniqueness of thread topics. I'm not saying none of here have never gotten off topic, because we probably all have multiple times. If I do want people to follow the rules, it usually means I want the thread to go back on topic, which in this thread probably won't happen, but this thread was probably doomed from the beginning. But I am a realist. It's why I don't have pipe dreams about a Beachcomber- or Sixshot-starring spinoff or a live action film with no humans that costs much more than even The Last Knight. Thanks! Yes, the movies aren't perfect. Yes, The Last Knight had its problems, some similar to previous films, but others unique to it. That doesn't mean TLK eliminated everything people may have liked about its predecessors. Except in the last decade-and-a-half, there have been plenty of avenues for the Transformers brand in addition to the movies. That's one of the best things about the brand this millennium! You had multiple cartoons, IDW comics, Generations, and Masterpiece, not to mention video games like WFC, FoC, and Devastation! And if the "face of the brand" happens to be something I don't like? That's fine. People should not base their happiness based on what is or isn't popular, but on what they enjoy personally. Kind of going off topic, but just to use it as an analogy, if you ever notice, ads for environmental and conservation NGOs typically use famous and charismatic or cute animals: whales, polar bears, tigers, giant pandas, etc. However, many of the most threatened species are animals most people have never heard of. A lot of media focus is put on the African rhinos and the poachers they face, but the much more threatened Javan and Sumatran rhinos, with fewer than 100 animals alive each, get much less attention. Cute and fuzzy mammals get a lot more attention than amphibians, which are much more threatened as a group. Ever hear of saolas? Vaquitas? Great Indian bustards? Giant, white-shouldered, and dwarf ibises? All much more threatened than polar bears or the vast majority of whales; every specific species I just mentioned numbers less than a thousand individuals by far; vaquitas might number less than a dozen. Yet, those more famous animals can act as umbrellas for supporting the conservation of those even much rarer species, even if they arguably hog much of the media spotlight from lesser known but equally important species, and initial interest in more well known species can get people to learn and care about those lesser known species. That's what the movies can be viewed as. People don't have to like them, but they have been an avenue for getting people interested in the brand. And even if there never was a single piece of Transformers I liked made again, I'd still be fine with that, because all of the stuff I do like is still present, and perhaps other people will find something new they like. But you see, that's one of the reason why I like it. I understand fans wanting a happy ending for the Autobots, or being nostalgic for the days of Sam Witwicky, but it's also interesting to see the alternative where things go in a new direction and the Autobots have new enemies and old ones reincarnated. AoE took things a little out of that Original Trilogy comfort zone, and I love it as a result. It was similar enough to the previous movies to be enjoyable to fans like myself who enjoyed the first three, but it also did enough things different to seem novel. I like it, because, while following some formulaic aspects of its predecessors, it also wasn't the movie many people predicted. It wasn't the movie I expected nor the movie I would have made...and I love it as a result! I don't know. In real life, most people don't have a problem with that. The few people who do are people that didn't like much of anything about me anyway. Unfortunately, it's the tendency of human beings in groups to act as groups rather than individuals. Consequently, people of any opinion need to be careful about it. Personally speaking, I have always advocated for a diversity of opinions, because intellectual diversity is a greater strength than conformity. Not even all of the movie fans in this thread have the same opinions as I do, but that's okay, because it shows we do think differently. You're kind of missing the point here. My point isn't that Hazekiah is this perfect, flawless individual. We all have flaws. Every single Transformers fan is a human being that has flaws, unless they're a dog who likes to chew on Transformers toys left out; then they're a flawed canine! My point was that he came up with thread topics where he built up a case by using plenty of evidence to show the movies were more than meets the eye. He was trying to point things out other people had not noticed, or at least not posted about before. And it's by looking at things through different lenses where we can really let our minds run wild. The human mind works best on the edge of insanity. Not insane enough, and you end up with complacency and stagnation. Too insane, and the mind is completely unorganized. Only on the knife's edge between sanity and insanity is the human mind daring enough to be creative and innovate, but not too insane to be chaotic.