Then you defeat the entire point of Unicron if you have to resort to him sending miniaturized effigies of himself.

The big deal (and indeed problem) with Unicron is that he should be a planet sized robot. A scale so freaking massive that interaction on the individual scale should be impossible- that scene in TFTM when Unicron eats Galvatron? Galvy would have had to roughly be the size of GREAT BRITAIN, a literal entire COUNTRY, to actually be that big during that sequence. That's why Unicron typically never gets involved himself until the end, you can't really top a planet sized robot dragging city-sized fingers through a planet's surface.

I mean, sure, Gurren Lagann did but that final battle STARTED with planet sized robots and got to the point of hurling literal galaxies like basketballs by the end.

By simply having Unicron generate miniature versions of himself instead of using proxies IE his various Heralds, he becomes nothing more than some generic big monster threat - at that point all that's happened is this franchise becoming Pacific Rim except Prime would simply get a bigger weapon than what he's got and he'd now them all down anyway.

 

I don't know the story but if planet sized robots were hurling galaxies, someone needs to brush up on their astronomy.

Rule of thumb in Hollywood is the marketing budget is roughly equal to the film's budget, so you have to double the budget to see the profit. So in this case:

Spider-Verse: $375.5M - $180M = $195.5M
Bumblebee: $468M - $270M = $198M

The other variables here are the fact that the Spider-Man films have been incredibly successful for Sony. So have the Transformer films, but Spider-Man's latest films have broken $1b. The Transformers franchise has been delivering diminishing returns since peaking with Dark of the Moon (in the heyday of the 3D craze). I have much more confidence in the performance of the next Spider-Man film than I do in the next Bayformer film.

 

No, I said the fight STARTED with planet sized robots.

They get exponentially bigger as the fight progressed.

 

Fair enough. My original point still stands.

And that's why there won't be another Bayformers film. A film in the rebooted universe? Sure, that'll happen. However, Bayverse itself is pretty much dead.

 

Look, all I am saying is that it is not impossible to do something with the idea of Unicron being the Earth.

I am not particularly fond of the idea either, but I see no reason to dismiss it so quickly.

 

The toys on shelves during the Cybertron line are the reason I got into Transformers as a wee lad. I had numerous friends who also had Transformers. One of them stole my Optimus Prime figure from the Classics OP vs. Megatron two pack when I brought it to kindergarten for show and tell. That same kid many years later started dating the girl who everyone knew I had a crush on. I don’t talk to him anymore.

What was I talking about?

Oh yeah. I’d agree that the brand was doing just fine before the movies came along. Sure the movies elevated it a lot, but was not the savior many people like to say it was.

 

The execution was a lot better in a kids cartoon. In the movie it was literally earth.

A move Lorenzo Bonaventura risked to keep the movies centered on earth. And a move that ruined the Bayverse.

 

It was ruined far before that

 

Come to think of it, considering that Hasbro went full force into G1 after the fall of TLK, doesn't that mean Bayverse is what "almost" ruined Transformers?

Sure people say the old gen sucks (A/E/C), but that didn't stop them from exploring possibilities, did that?

 

By and large I agree with you. When I think of humorous scenes in ROTF, i always think of "there isn't a tighter shirt," "directly under the enemy scrotum," and the banter between Sam, Mikaela and Leo hiding in the library. The humping dogs and the pot brownies I tend to forget about. I don't try to defend the movies, but I don't feel wrong or embarrassed to admit i enjoy them, for the most part, and if Bay made another one, i wouldn't think it was the worst thing in the world.

 

Nothing has ruined Transformers. It's a constant running gag that's been around forever.

 

The Bayverse had yet to do anything with the idea, therefore such a comparison is utterly pointless.

The Last Knights performance was the culprit, not Unicron.

 

But the fact is Hasbro do went full G1 after TLK bombed.

 

Yes, they went for the nostalgia but I wouldn't say full-on.

-If so, why are we still getting Studio Series of certain movie characters?

-Why is Hasbro attempting a Beast Wars movie in future?

-Why would the upcoming Netflix War for Cybertron series incorporate the Allspark (a concept which dates back to the 2007 movie) as a plot point?

 

The Allspark is a modified version of the Well of All Sparks from BW, so I wouldn't exactly say it's inherently a Movies first thing.

 

And "AllSpark" itself comes from Beast Wars as one of the terms for the Transformers Afterlife.
Transformer afterlife - Transformers Wiki

 

And I always assumed the Beast Wars writers were homaging the Well of Souls, so it's kind of not even a BW-first thing.

 

The Bayverse included Unicron in TLK. A transforming planet earth was a stupid idea.

Unicron as planet earth added more to the humiliation that came from a group of writers.

 

It is its own page now.
AllSpark - Transformers Wiki

You can quote me on this too, you know.

 

The AllSpark as it is usually presented currently is most certainly based on the Movie version. Sure it shares a name with previous concepts, but a life-giving magical Cube is not the same as Transformer afterlife and, more often than not in media since 2007, the AllSpark is that life-giving device.