Why no dead Autobots?

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Wheeljack30, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Wheeljack30

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    We saw a few Decepticons die like Dreadwing, Breakdown, Skyquake, Makeshift, Arachnid and Hardsehll. The only Autobot to die on the show was Cliffjumper, we don't know if Wheeljack is dead. I mean what are the writers thinking? Will we ever have an Autobot die? And if we do which Autobot is due to be killed?

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  2. Bountyan

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    If only the same could be said about the Decepticons.
     
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    Seaspray and Tailgate are dead. I think there might be more.
     
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    seaspray roadbuster pyro rotorstorm impactor cliffjumper tailgate

    Wheeljack gave a nice list of dead autobots in one epesode
     
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    Because when an Autobot dies on the show it has to be brought up constantly by the others. However the show seems to forget that they are at war and I’m sure tons of Autobots died, but only Arcee is allowed to grieve over Cliffjumper… And Starscream can brag about killing one Autobot when 100s have been killed on Cybertron?!

    But seriously, an Autobot should be killed off (I know that sounds horrible)

    But I don’t like how god-like to the Decepticon Troops the Autobots are played as. Because apparently faceless troops don’t count as murdering.

    It’s also pretty sad that most of the dead Cons’ were killed by a Con’ O_e…Decepticon Logic what is it!? XD

    I mean come on The Decepticons are supposed to be the most feared and menacing Cybertronians! Show that! Have them wreck some havoc and blow shit up! XD
     
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    Faceless nobodies don't count. None of thsoe were characters. All their deaths did was tease us with all these characters we'll never see and reaffirm how empty and devoid of fun the show's universe is.

    He's talking real Autobots dying.
     
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    They just decimated a mountain to kill the Autobots. I'd say they did that.
     
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    I think if team prime would of got a new member other than Smokescreen I believe there would of been an autobot death.
     
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    Because the good guys always win. They can be beaten, but they cannot be killed.

    Cartoons aren't going to expose children to death, especially that of a hero's--you can't just move away from it like a Vehicon's death. You have to explain it, cope with it and heal all of which takes time, time a children's show doesn't want to deal with every now and again or ever really.

    Autobot deats, should they happen again, will be very, very rare. Why do people want the outnumbered and out gunned Autobots to die anyway? They are already at a disadvantage.
     
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    True...but they could have made them more...of a threat before and during this Season rather than cruising around in the Ship of Purple rave lights.(Kidding XD)till a random object showed up.

    Maybe I'm just expecting more...evil since I'm a huge villian fan. XD;
     
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    unless i missed something watching that last episode, Arachnid is very much "not dead" to me until i see a body.
     
  12. SPLIT LIP

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    And yet named Decepticons drop like flies and nobody bats an eye.

    Super awesome. That whole "kids cannot be exposed to death" thing sure works wonders for the narrative.

    Though really, lack of death is not the issue. It's one tremendously one-sided it all is. It's pitiful. Even the movies had some Autobots die once in a while to show that things weren't completely lop-sided in the heroes' favour.
     
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    @StrawberryTop00You're expecting villains to actually be proactive and harmful to innocents in their villainy? If so, then count me in too.

    @Split Lip: I never bought the "kids cannot be exposed to death" idea either - they know more about things like that than you would think, especially depending on what else they read or watch. Even if they've had a grandparent or a pet die, they know what death is, even if they don't fully process it. I'm not saying that the show should rub the kids' noses in gruesome gory deaths one hundred percent of the time, but sheltering them from it that way doesn't do them any favors either.

    And yes, it is horribly one-sided. Bulkhead should have died in Toxicity, Cliffjumper should have stuck around more so that his death had meaning, and maybe Wheeljack could have died in Darkest Hour.
     
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    Really? They are at a disadvantage? I don`t think so, a single Autobot = about 10-15 (probably more) Decepticons as far as we`ve seen. I honestly don`t know why they were losing the war...and I like the show, so it`s not like I`m nitpicking.

    As for the original question. I think Arcee is the only character they can get away with killing.

    They won`t kill Optimus and if they do it won`t be for long.
    They can`t kill Bumblebee as it`s filling that space to attract kids and his death can potentially scare them away, bad PR move to off him.
    They won`t kill Smokescreen as he is new and want to develop him.
    They won`t kill Bulkhead as it would take Miko into dark places...and the show clearly doesn`t want to go there.
    As for Wheeljack? I don`t even know if he would count...

    Arcee is the only character they can get away with killing, as killing any of the others not only brings up the above mentioned issues, but it also makes it so that another Autobot Arcee cares about dies without her being able to protect it. Any other character death would repeat what we already have with Arcee...so clearly she`s the only one that could go. She doesn`t want any of her partners/friends to die as it would mean she couldn`t protect them again, so having her die protecting them is the way to go...and it`s what she`s wanted anyway.

    I just hope that if handled, the writers make the death a tragic one and not a heroic one. Maybe have an Autobot death at the hands of the Vehicons to actually make them since threatening?
     
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    What's your definition of "real"? You mean the main cast? For all we know, Optimus might've died as well as Wheeljack.

    Tailgate was shown with Arcee in a flashback. Seaspray's ship was also shown in the same manner.


    Airachnid might still be alive since she was enclosed in a stasis pod which might have protected her.


    Yeah, but there are more Decepticons in TFP than there are Autobots. Some of my favorite characters like Dreadwing and Breakdown were some of those that died.
     
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    Nobody bats an eye because the show doesn't dwell on it! Transformers Prime is a hero's tale--haven't noticed the lopsided story telling, huh?

    If another hero dies, they'll spend just as much time as they did with Cliffjumper's death or more, as the characters now have all had more screen time.
     
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    You're forgetting Ratchet. They can have him die a heroic death or tragic trying to protect the humans after what he said about them. It would be his time to shine.
     
  18. SPLIT LIP

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    And they've done a bang-up job so far.

    "Might" being a key word.

    And my deffinition of "real" is "ones that actually have a face."

    Right, because that totally counts. A recolour who's face we never see and a guy who we never hear or see at all. For all we know Wheeljack made him up.

    Uh, yeah, that's what I was just freaking talking about.

    Call it a "hero's tale" if you want, It's still badly handled.
     
  19. Strawberrytop00

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    Transformers is a show about two sides at WAR…always has been, so obviously there has to be some death to make it realistic. Where do you think all the other Cybertronians are now? Hawaii?
    It’s not believable if The Decepticon’s are supposed to be so menacing and so much of a threat if they are dropping like flies while the Autobots dodge any bullet that comes their way.
     
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    There might also be more dead Autobots in the graveyard:
     

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