Why is the IDW continuity considered G1?

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  1. RonG

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    According to tfwiki it's a part of the G1 Continuity Family, and I can't understand why..

    If it's removed from the G1 cartoon to the point that there was no 4 Million Year "sleep", how does it differ from other (non-G1) interpretations like Animated or Prime?
     
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    Well at first it was closer to G1 than almost anything else, it's one of the only modern things to have The Matrix as originally depicted, used some of the post-cartoon cast more than any other interpretation (Hardhead, Fort Max, Chromedome etc and yes I know about rebirth but there are better examples) uses the Ark, even if Ark 1 predated the war, One of the few other continuities where Megatron turned into a gun (for the ations anyway), originally penned by Simon Furman, Shockwave not being "ALL HAIL MEGATRON" is closer to Marvel #5 than any other depiction, many designs even before AHM were very G1esque, how many other things have used Xaaron? I could go on but I'm tired, and in the end it's just the same reason Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker are Seekers, because of us
    (Or IDW just advertised it that way to appeal to the fans a bit better than the Unicron Trilogy and the realm of Givemeyourfaceimus Prime).
     
  3. RonG

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    IDW Continuity being close to G1, is basically not that different from Prime or Animated. Bith have elements similar to G1, but are considered decidedly Non-G1.

    AFAIK, the G1 (sub) continuities (like the Marvel Comics, Japanese G1, etc), all branch out of the "original" G1 (basically seasons 1-2) - not so with IDW - unless I have my facts wrong, in which case I'd be happy to be corrected :) 
     
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    The G1 cartoon is not a master continuity that all others deviated from, nothing grew out of the g1 cartoon aside from more episodes of the g1 cartoon and the Japanese series. The comics, toy bios and the cartoon are based on concepts created by Jim Shooter and Bob Budiansky at Marvel comics, all the g1 continuities have diverged from those in some way and IDW is no exception. It goes a little further than the original comics or cartoon, being more like a Marvel Comics Ultimate universe take on g1, but there's no denying that a lot of the characters have roots in those bios.

    A/E/C, Prime and the Movies reuse a lot of legacy names, but outside of the core cast that's as far as it goes. They weren't intended to be the g1 incarnation of characters and they don't make any attempt to pretend otherwise, the similarities tend to be more homage and throwing the older fanbase a bone rather than because the series is based on g1.
     
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    Also that fact that the original pitch for this continuity by Furman states that it is a G1 continuity.
     
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    To me it's more like a G1 reboot. For the most part the premise, tone, design and characters all fall in line with the original G1 lore. When IDW takes liberties with certain characters it's usually to their benefit though.

    By "G1 continuity family" I'd consider IDW a close cousin, vs Bayformers and TFPrime which are the hated in laws who pop up unannounced.
     
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    yeah, thats how i see it
     
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    IDW is about as G1 as anything else that isn't the original cartoon or the Marvel comic. Which is to say it has nothing to do with those original works that the term "G1" was retroactively applied to when Generation 2 was published.

    And since this fandom can not even come close to agreeing on what "G1" even is (see the utter clusterfuck that was the recent thread in Transformers General Discussion), or what assorted terms like "Continuity", "canon", "timeline" or the really bizarre Hasbro-specific term "continuity family" mean, it's going to be net to impossible for anyone here to say if IDW is G1 or not since the term has been so thoroughly muddled.

    How about this? IDW is just one more take on Transformers that draws inspiration from the assorted mythos that came before. It rehashes old ideas, stories and characters and also invents whole new ones that may or may not inspire future works.

    Just like the films, Animated and Prime etc.
     
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    It is its own continuity that just uses G1 characters/ideas. No other TF continuities (movies, shows, non IDW comics, etc) count towards its story. As recent issues, they are pulling ideas/bodies/characters from other TF continuities to add to their own story. See BW Rattrap, RID Starscream body, FOC game models, whatever Hasbro toy is coming soon, etc.
     
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    They don't, though.

    Marvel tells it's own story, just like IDW.

    IDW is G1 because it began as a re-imagining of G1, with similar characters in a new setting.
     
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    It's there version of G1. Plan and simple.
     
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    G1 wasn't the cartoon only; it was the US cartoon, Japanese cartoon, Marvel US, Marvel UK- all different continuities.

    That's why IDW's comics and now Dreamwave's comics can fit withing G1.

    The common bond is the same cast of characters.
     
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    But the casts aren't the same between them and the interpretations of the characters tend to differ as well.

    If IDW is G1 then so is Armada and Animated and the films. They're all pulling from the same sources -chiefly the Marvel comics/Sunbow cartoon and original toy bios. But they all have wildly differing stories, wholly different interpretations of characters, differing reasons for the war and arrival to Earth.

    IDW is IDW. It's not anything else but that.
     
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    It is IDW G1, though. It may not be actual G1, but it has a similar aesthetic, similar backstory and generally the same characters.

    A sort of I Can't Believe It's Not G1 thingy.
     
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    No. Infiltration clearly used the original 1980s characters. Armada, Animated and the movies may share some of the same names but they clearly aren't the same characters.
     
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    The only real similarity in backstory is a very long war between two factions of the same species from Cybertron.

    In IDW Autobot/Decepticon is simply an ideological difference, not related one being consumer goods and the other being military hardware.

    IDW they left Crybertron because it was uninhabitable, practically destroyed. In Marvel/Sunbow *some* Cybertronians left to seek out more energy supplies.

    IDW the Aubots arrive on Earth *after* the Decepticons in response to their standard Six-Phase protocol for stripping worlds of their resources. Sunbow/Marvel, the Ark, carrying select few characters including the opposing factions' respective leaders, crashes on Earth. During all of this Cybertron is still functioning and habitable.

    IDW the war spans across galaxies and has left countless worlds destroyed. Earth isn't really special or unique, it's just where we, the reader, are brought into the story.

    In IDW the war started over gross social inequality and vast corruption in the ruling government. It largely began with a freedom fighter that drastically lost his way. Optimus was initially a tool of this corrupt government and it was Megatron himself that pushed Optimus to the fight this corruption. And this government was actually known as Autobot, effectively making them them bad guys before Optimus took back the name to mean something different.

    And that's just off the top of my head.
     
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    If you go by just the G1 cartoon then there are indeed many differences between it and the IDW take. However...

    In the Marvel comics there were no consumer goods robots and military hardware robots. The start of the war and the factions have their roots in ideological differences just like IDW does. IDW may have had the concept of a TF's function determined by their form, but it wasn't because they were built as saleable products for either the home or the battlefield.

    Also, in Marvel the Transformers only ended up on Earth because the Autobots left Cybertron to clear a safe path for the planet (shaken loose from its orbit by the war) through an asteroid field. Weakened after their task, they were attacked by the Decepticons and Optimus crashed the Ark on a nearby planet (Earth) as Cybertron carried on through space without them. In the Marvel comics there wasn't really as much of an issue of needing to find energy for Cybertron as in the cartoon. It was only on Earth that the Marvel TF had energy issues.
    Although Earth was seeded centuries earlier with Ore 13 by Shockwave, so it was more important to the ultimate plan than just being a place the TF happened to turn up.
    In Marvel it largely began with a gladiator named Megatron in 'State Games'.

    IDW is more like Marvel than you seem to think. There are more than enough similarities that I consider the IDW run as a version of G1.
    Indeed. The checklist of G1-based things in IDW is way more extensive than Armada, Animated and the movies. IDW is clearly based on G1 while Armada and Animated etc just drew some basic ideas, concepts and a few characters from it. IDW is intentionally G1 while the others listed just pull from the basic pool. It's like TFA may contain loads of homages and nods to G1 but it's obviously not meant to be G1.
     
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    That's hilarious and you nailed it.
     
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    It's a retelling of G1. Sort of like the Ultimate Continuity is to Marvel.
     
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    Yeah they are.

    You might be able to say that about the UT, the movieverse, the 1st RiD, PRIME and maybe even Animated. They are more name slaps than anything else.