Why do so many people dislike the Quintesson origin?

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by HotRodDidNothingWrong, Jun 17, 2021.

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What are your thoughts on the Quintesson origin?

  1. It's my preferred origin story

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  2. It isn't my favorite origin, but I like it

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  3. I don't like it

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  4. It's dumb and I hate it

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  1. HotRodDidNothingWrong

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    Why is the Quintesson origin so disliked by a huge part of the fandom? While it's not my preferred origin for the transformers, I don't think it's a bad origin. But some people seem to view it like it's one of the worst concepts in the franchise's history, and I've never understood why.
     
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    Personally I don’t dislike it. But I prefer Primus being the original creator of the cybertronian race origin.
     
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    I like the Quintesson origin far more than Primus.
     
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    I think there are some fans who just prefer the Primus origin because it is more epic. "They were created ex nihilo by a literal Deus ex Machina to fight in an unending war against the Space Devil!" sounds more exciting on paper than them being former commercial goods or the process of gradual evolution.

    But more than that, I think the Quintessons are self sabotage of their own concept. Their unformidable design showed they would never be an equal match to the Transformers and the only physical goons they had were the sharkicons and allicons. If there were toys back then that represented an equal 3rd faction for the Quintessons, maybe they would be more appreciated. Imagine if all the monstrous alt mode transformers like the Terrorcons were Quintesson creations and foot soldiers for example.
     
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    The Quintessons as a species, personality and design wise are pretty lame for most people i guess
    Maybe it's not so much the idea that the cybertronians were artificial lifeforms that is unappealing, it's that the dumb looking and stupid speaking multi face metal squids were the ones behind it
     
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    Different tastes I suppose, it also doesn't help that no official medium has really done them proper justice so as a result it's lead many people to naturally assume they're uncool or not 'epic' enough.

    As someone who likes Primus and Unicron I vastly prefer the Quintesson origin, but I also believe all of these elements could work in tandem to tell a really interesting origin of their species, I could easily see someone like Primacron being retconned into being a Quint or similar species.

    The TF's being a species made to be sold as a product, or built to serve a master just makes them more interesting to me, and brings up a lot of questions about things like free-will, machine thinking and so forth.
     
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    Perhaps it's not only has something to do with characterization/design/story taste but it also might be due to the fact by making the Quints the creators of transformers it takes away the anatomy/mystery of the transformers
    being naturally developed mechanical aliens on Cybertron.
     
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    What do you mean the Terrorcons weren't creations of the Quintessons? Hehe, that's my headcanon.

    About the Quintessons, I think they are too grounded and simple as the creator of the Transformer thus people prefer the Primus stories or anything else that suggests the Cybertronians exist via special means.

    They also look a bit silly being five faces on an egg with tendrils coming out of them with an un-intimidating voice given in the old cartoon. Something like these that looks lamer than the Transformers themselves could never built them in most fans eyes.

    Making them consumer goods made to be sold off doesn't make them unique to our own creations in present time or far future and I guess makes their own personality and 'life' seem artificial.

    Not me though, I quite like the idea of the Quintessons although I too was weirded out when they were revealed to be the Transformers creator back in season 3.
     
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    I also think that the Primus origin, unlike the Quintesson origin, actually explains things like the Matrix and Unicron in addition to explaining how the Transformers came to be.
     
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    The Quintesson origin always made the most sense to me, and it has room for embellishment. Did the Quints create Transformers from scratch? Did they colonize Cybertron and turn its population into robots? Were the Quints themselves drawn in/used by a higher power? To me the Quints merely facilitate the fact that Transformers are entirely robotic and thus incompatible with "natural" origins that aren't intentionally vague or mystical, but they're not necessarily the end of the story. Someone had to build the TFs, but how, why, and for what purpose can be extrapolated in many ways.
     
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    sounds like GoBots
    it also reminds me of Gorlam Prime
     
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    Because what sounds cooler, that they were made by a robot god or they were made by squid aliens?
     
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    Squid aliens sounds much cooler than a robot god to me.
     
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    Unrelated, but the way they pronounced Quintessons in Cyberverse really bothered me.
     
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    Maybe if you're into tentacle porn.
     
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    I prefer an air of mystery to surround the origins of the Transformers, rather than have the question answered outright.
     
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    Well, that's a strange, unnecessary assertion, with no basis.

    Let's compare the two:

    Here are the really cool, neat space aliens, with various designs. A whole race of other robots in the galaxy. Who just happen to be the creators of the Transformers.
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    And, here we have Primus:
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    It doesn't matter how 'cool' one thinks Primus is, there is only one to be had. Primus doesn't come in various other variations, or characters. You only get one Primus. With the Quintessons, you get a vast variety of characters, each with their own designs, and motives. They're on the side of whatever suits them best. Sometimes they are against the Autobots, sometimes they are against the Decepticons. Other times, they are working with both.

    Idk, having a whole race of Quintessons, VS 1 Primus, is a no brainer which one's cooler for me. But, yes, I must like 'tentacle porn', that's the reason why I like them.
     
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    To be clear about the poll which I just saw; I actually do like the Quintesson origin story but it isn't my favorite - that would be atechnogenesis.

    I also believe the Vok would make better creators than the Quintessons; only partially inspired by my younger self's misinterpretation of Beast Wars before watching G1.
     
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    See, I think, we can have all the origins, and many to come. Because Transformers have many variations, so why should we stick with just one? Unless we just want to watch the same stories over and over again. If this is what you guys want, go for it. But, count me out then.

    I say, all the origins are great, if done well. And, I also say, let's make some new ones too.
     
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    That's not entirely true for two reasons
    1: Primus first first origin story involved a whole pantheon of gods from light and dark, it was never fully explored, but right off the bat the Primus origin didn't present itself as simply "robot God and robot Devil"
    2: In the last decade the Primus origin got bundled with the 13 Primes as well which all add variation to the mythos
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    You can still prefer the Quints and their less favored creations, but don't simplify Primus to such a degree....
    .....YOU FILTHY UNBELIEVER!!
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