Why did TLK turn out so horrible

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  1. Autobot Burnout

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    That doesn't really fly because you can't use random characters after making a movie that quite explicitly was implying most of them were dead. Leadfoot in particular being one of them.

    Of course, you're defending a film that decided it would be funny to use Starscream's head as a visual gag...as if the people somehow forgot that Starscream died when that exact head ceased to exist back in DOTM.
     
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    Sure you can, since TLK specifically state that a bunch of new Cybertroninans came to Earth after the events of AoE.
    I like to think of it more as I'm pointing out bad reasons to criticize the movie.
     
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    That is HILLARIOUSLY stupid. Why the hell would Cybertronians keep coming to Earth given how badly humans treat them? They would quite litterally be better off on a deserted planet than on Earth!

    ...and that isn't defending TLK how, exactly?
     
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    If Paramount so desperately wanted the same success Marvel had with Avengers, swapping heads to a favorite character is a bad move.

    But hey, it wasn't a big deal for TF5's success at the box office.

    Oh, and here's another issue @Autobot Burnout pointed out. Yet another reason the movie wasn't good.

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    List of continuity errors courtesy of Tfwiki
    • Sir Edmund says the battle depicted at the start of the movie took place in 484 AD, while a caption over the first present day scene says it takes place 1600 years later, which would result in the rest of the film taking place in 2084.
    • Cybertron appears as smaller than Earth, when in Dark of the Moon, it was significantly larger than it.
    • Megatron has undergone some drastic changes since we last saw him in Age of Extinction; he has changed his name back from "Galvatron," and he has acquired a new body that transforms normally as opposed to bursting into a cloud of Transformium. These changes are neither explained nor even acknowledged by the film, nor is it explained how he came to be in the service of Quintessa (aside from the suggestive presence of a red "scar" on his face like the one Quintessa inflicts on Prime when she brainwashes him).
      • However, the fact that Lennox recognizes his voice despite a change in actor from Hugo Weaving to Frank Welker isn't an error; it just means that within the fictional world of the film, Megatron's voice hasn't changed.
    • When Optimus first crash lands onto Cybertron, he makes grunting sounds but his lips don't move.
    • Cade blows up the cockpit of the dying knight's ship, yet as he walks away from it the cockpit is intact.
    • After Cade says "I don't sell out friends", he looks to his right, but in the next shot he's looking to his left.
    • When Barricade throws the truck door, several fiery papers are strewn across the ground. Yet when the door hits the ground, none of the papers are there, nor is the area illuminated by flames.
    • During the scene where Bumblebee reassembles his body, Cade hits Santos over the head with his door and shatters the glass. When Bumblebee later transforms and drives off, both windows are intact.
    • Speaking of, how Bumblebee gained the ability to reassemble himself is completely unexplained.
    • The removal of the Vatti Bot sequence in the digital version introduces a continuity error: Cade can be seen falling over when parts fall off Daytrader's back, but is suddenly standing up in the next shot.
    • Absent for the rest of the film, Drift suddenly has his second longsword for one scene, using the two blades to raise himself into a meditation pose on the morning of the Decepticons' attack on the junkyard.
    • When Cade and Izzy are fitting a new voice box into Bumblebee, it is clear that they are using a prop on set, with no sign of Bumblebee's body.
      • A similar scene occurs later in the film: after Cade produces the Excalibur sword, he's standing on Optimus's back—which is obviously a prop as Optimus isn't moving at all.
    • Bumblebee tears out the "defective" voicebox yet is able to talk to Optimus later. Presumably he must have put his old one back in offscreen?
    • Sqweeks is missing his scavenged Decepticon arm when the Decepticons invade the junkyard, his original arm appearing back in its place. It returns in all subsequent scenes with the character.
    • The abandoned town the Autobots and humans seek refuge in has buildings which are a few stories tall at most, then Jimmy, Cade and Izabella are abruptly in a multi-story building with janitorial staff and an external lift when they encounter Cogman. After Cade's ride on a drone, they're suddenly back in the area with no tall buildings in sight.
    • When the Decepticons arrive at the abandoned town, Nitro Zeus transforms and lands in front of the group, on the right side of the screen. However, when Izabella begins approaching the Decepticons, Nitro Zeus is now in the back and on the left of the screen.
    • Brief shots of the Witwiccans and some of their artifacts depict various Transformers such as Hot Rod and Optimus Prime with their "modern" forms, years before they would take on such bodies.
    • When leaving Burton's mansion, the order of the vehicles are (from front to back) Bumblebee, Hot Rod and the Aston Martin. However, several shots later, Hot Rod and the Aston Martin have switched places.
    • Bumblebee actually spoke with his real voice briefly at the end of the first film, albeit with a different voice actor.
    • When the knights charge at Optimus, at least eleven can be seen running across the ship. This excludes Skullitron and the Talisman Knight, who died by this point—however, Quintessa confirms there are "twelve guardian knights"—not thirteen.
    • When Optimus shouts, "Viviane! Get in here!", he and the Autobots are shooting at Megatron and Nitro Zeus from a distance, as the Decepticons guard the entrance to the ignition chamber. However, two shots later, they're both gone and the Autobots have moved all the way to the chamber's entrance.

    According to the films as they never acknowledged him speaking in any of the other films except that throw away line that they used to sweep that whole plot line under the rug
     
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    That doesn't change the fact Prime acknowledges BB speaking at the end of the first film. The fact he doesn't speak in any of the other films is irrelevant because it was also never stated Bumblebee was straight up mute - it was only established that speaking was excruciatingly painful for him. ROTF even goes so far as having Sam say Bumblebee can talk, he just chooses to play up the radio splicing angle instead for pity points (and more realistically because his voice still probably was super painful to use).
     
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    See this is why you shouldn't criticize movies you haven't seen.
    A favorite character, really? How many movie goers do you think even knew the name of the character?
     
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    That doesn't invalidate my statement in the least. Nor does it invalidate my choice to save my money and not watch absolute garbage.
     
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    Why did the movie turn out so bad? Let's turn the clock back to the planning stages of TF1. To paraphrase a quote from the Dark Night, Hasbro turned to a man they didn't really understand. Michael Bay essentially held a rope over a cliff with us attached, and we slipped a little more each movie. We were bound to fall off eventually. He, nor anyone else involved, knew what duty of care means. I picked up the phrase watching the Lord of the Rings special features. And while those movies had their own woes, you can't deny the passion and care put into them. You can say the same for the MCU. Someone up top wanted these movies to stay true to the source material. Hasbro never cared about Transformers in that way. They passed off the reigns to folks who cared even less, and understood nothing. So by the time it got to TLK, there was nothing left. Just... this bizarre story being told in a world full of pointless action and explosions, whose artificial tension makes us go "wait, we care about this now?"

    To this day, TLK is the only movie I have ever removed from my video player and taken back in the middle of a viewing. I couldn't even watch it for free after Spider-man Homecoming finished at our local drive-in theater. It was garbage. And that's the nicest thing I can say about it.
     
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    It's not BB or Optimus, yes, but wreckers are liked nonetheless. Few that saw TF3 remember those 3.

    But not properly introducing characters is another flaw the movies are known for.
     
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    1. Very less actual Autobots Vs Decepticons
    2. Poor storyline including history of humankind
    3. No Robots character development at all
    4. Messy planet size destruction that's were not necessary to be focus in the climax battle
    5. Waste of introdution for Onslaught, Dinobots, Upgraded Barricade, Infernocus and Nitro Zeus. No screen time, fighting scene and personal at all.. Quite disappointed.
     
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    i was gonna say it was michael bay. what's weird is that i loved nitro zeus, i would love to see more of him.
     
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    Ok, so I was responding to a claim that Topspin was a favorite character. I don't think that is true, and being like and being a favorite are two different things. How much of an introduction do you need for a glorified background character with two lines? Because that would be a flaw for every movie.
     
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    My main point, and where we disagree, is that characters like Topspin, LongHaul and KSI boss can be given minor changes and be considered a new character.

    That's the wrong way to go if Hasbro wanted to invest and develop characters. How many lines did LongHaul get in TF2? Hardly any. But I enjoyed his time on screen.
     
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    Long Haul said NOTHING in TF2.
     
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    Reusing character designs isnt something new, especially in this franchise example the throttlebots and the seekers ,tho and I really dont see why people complain when they recycle things.
     
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    Except they put MORE effort simply by putting Leadfoot's head on Twin Twist then if they'd simply just used Twin Twist as he was originally. There was a reason they went to the trouble of not using the head already attached to the body - and we're talking about a production that went so far as to create a whole new model for Canopy whose sole purpose was to die - EXACTLY the kind of role a redressed existing model would be perfect for.
     
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    It sucked Because mark whalberg can't act. In all his movies; He plays an incompetent "Ice Cube" leveled role where he's always trying to be a hard smartass and nothing else. It's like he's an actor with no other emotions or feelings for the situations apart from being a straight faced, angry, happy and panicking loser. He either has a blank stare or is in angry mode when Optimus is about to get killed by the 12 knights or Ratchet getting melted in front of him.


    Having a failed actor as a main character (through the TF titles namesake) will make your movie itself a failed experiment. Next time, grab someone who can ACTUALLY act, your movies fate might depend on it.
     
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    Canopy was a Long Haul model.
     
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    So he does. I stand corrected on that, then.

    Though the reason why they gave Twin Twist the wrong head remains unexplained. Honestly I would just love to get the true story behind how TLK ended up just being the worst possible production it could have been. Every single bad choice was made. Its failure should be studied in film schools, its one contribution to society.
     
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