This is something that's always puzzled me. They take back everything so history will flow naturally, but... why leave Waspinator behind? Wouldn't that cause a time temporal stream and change history as we know it?

Just kinda bugs me.

 

I see what you did there. 

But it wasnt just Waspy left behind... the parts of Inferno and Quickstrike, what was left underwater of the Axalon (that wasn't annexed into the mountain base), all the flotsam that used to be Rampage and Depth Charge... and while it was animated, a critical issue was left to assumption by being taken out of the final episode: restoring G1 Megs's spark to his body. Primal alluded to it when Tigerhawk showed up.

 

I know that, but it doesn't really explain why they thought leaving Waspinator behind was a good idea.

 

To give the poor guy something resembling a happy ending after all he suffered through and to hell with the consequences of leaving all that stuff in the past that apparently doesn't even stay in the past because somehow Waspinator got back to Cybertron anyways.

 

Waspinator quit. He was never really a serious Predacon threat, so they could afford to ditch him.

And how do we know he didn't just escape and hide?

 

I don't know their opinion would have been so much a "good" idea... maybe just neutral? Like QLR said, he probably just hid out until they left.

And we cant be 100% certain Dinobot II was truly killed in that explosion. Healing powers TM2... and is a piece of an immortal spark still immortal once the original is destroyed? For another thread I suppose.

 

I've always wondered why Tarantulas explosion in Season 3 was fatal.... even though he's been blown up before.

 

There's nothing definitive saying the Maximals even knew he was still alive.

 

Damn... simple truths and all... They WERE kind of distracted... the fusion cannon could have been assumed to take him out too.
OR they actually DID check, found his headless body parts ("fleshy-bot, LISTEN TO WASPINATOR!") and assumed he was "Ravage-d" and thus only as consequential as the rest of the Cybertronian leftovers... that is, not.

 

was that spark truly immortal?

I know it was created in sn attempt to duplicate Starscreams spark, but do we know if that experiment was a 100% Success?

 

I got the impression that they cleaned up everything they could before they left and didn't know Waspinator survived

 

Honestly, I don't think they would've cared much even if they knew Waspinator was alive.

 

Apparently not  

But I've thought before that Rampage's destruction was not necessarily by DC's hand. His spark survived an energon scalpel separating it into pieces and provided undiminshed vitality to him afterward, plus allowing DB2 to function as well. Megs said it should have been destroyed by it... but an improvised blade of raw energon does it?  
I think that Rampage self-destructed... he CHOSE to die. He was faced with defeat, at the hands of the closest thing to a friend he had left, and what was about to happen to him could have left him captive to DC or further split up (I've got fanon galore from that concept), which would have been worse than death. He was happy that they could die together.

 

As others have said, they probably thought he was dead.

As for the remains of the Axalon, Darksyde and other assorted debris... what could they do with it? Would that shuttle have had enough room for any of that? They really needed at least one line of, "We cleaned up what we could find and incinerated it," or something.

I think it's the difference between a scalpel and a sword. Megatron performed a surgical procedure. Depth Charge skewered him.

 

Time is pretty robust in Beast Wars. It survived God knows how much tampering before season 3 and only once a truly titanic history-altering change took place did it finally buckle. (and was still corrected in time for the changes to not be permanent) It seems it follows the DOFP rules of time being a stream, and simple pebbles tossed in here and there can't change the flow.

Especially since that area was toasted along with Inferno and Quickstrike, and Waspinator was in pieces even before then.

Considering he's whole once the show is over, I'd chalk it up to him convincing the proto humans and them gathering up his bits before the Maximals could.

I mean, there needs to be something left to heal. Pretty sure he's not growing back from an amoeba.

Also, I'm gonna say it's not so immortal given Rampage died literally the episode before.

 

Actually there is. In Beast Machines, when Blackarachnia discovered that Thrust was Waspinator, she said "we left you on prehistoric Earth!".

 

That's a fair point, but that doesn't necessarily mean they knew he was alive. She's just being incredulous. "You didn't come with us, how are you here?"

 

I understand, but they're both a cutting tool. And a thousand small cuts can kill as can one impaling. If it survived cutting a piece out and it was shown that both pieces stabilized, even far enough that DB2 was able to squeeze his own to hurt Rampage (but didnt hurt him... huh?), and thats after being kept in an energon iron maiden, then why would it "have" to be that a large cleave with a relatively blunt blade would force it to lose integrity when so much else hadn't?

I submit that the flat appearance of what happened is probably what the writers intended... but I like to think of Rampage as more complicated than that, and nothing from the show makes my supposition impossible.

I was still going on the premise that Rampage only died (and so spectacularly) because he willed it.

And with the "unknown properties" granted hy the TM2 driver (further vok enhancements)... again, I submit on intent of the show, but that's what AU's and fanon are for.

To me its no different than arguments about wolverine... its stupid that eating his own flesh somehow sustained him, but there it is. The explosion we're prpvoded as DB2's end was a command bridge breaking down, the ship remained mostly in one piece. Waspinator survived worse: raw energon explosion enough to rip an immortal spark out of his exostructure but didnt kill his "normal" spark. He also survived a 4 million year journey through space (omg there's a biographical for you, "Waspinator in Space: a tale of not getting blown up all the time"). Rampage survived a point blank missile that almost vaporized its launching vessel. We actually saw TH vaporize in a directed fusion reaction. The conisitency of physics is... well, it's a cartoon is the best way to explain that.

I'm not saying either of you are wrong in what the episodes present, but just like it wasn't televised and we have to assume they restored g1 Megs to his body, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

Hold on
Wolverine ate his own flesh? When did that happen?

 

Its one of those random factoids you read in tne "did you know?" Panels of some cards... like one idea that when the character was first being conceived, he was a vampire and had a sister instead of claws

Edit: found a pic of the cardback I remembered from my childhood... i mixed those up. Sister was the vampire and he was kind of a were-fox code named Wolverine.