Why are the Transformers so horribly inaccurate?

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  1. ChaosDonkey

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    Sometimes people get surprised by their own obsessiveness
     
  2. Arrogant Arachnid

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    I don't really care about G1, though
     
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    The movies didn’t fail in their artistic “inaccuracy” to pervious versions of Transformers. They failed because the story itself was awful. There is a reason the first bay trilogy performed so well at the box office and had relatively all in all good word of mouth. Because People liked it.

    Nothing has to be exactly the same as something from years before. Especially with Transformers. People fail to realize one very obvious thing about this franchise that differs it from the rest. The titular characters are called “TRANSFORMERS”.
    This means they change, evolve, adapt, turn into different things etc.. something completely different all the time.
    Spider man will always be Spider-Man because that is who he is. A man that is part spider.

    Transformers have never been one thing. And it will never be one thing.

    Personally, I love the design in the bay films, I do not think I would have ever gotten such an interest in this franchise if it wasn’t for them. Now, if the films had actually had a good story, decent characterization, yet kept the artistic style, I don’t think as many people would be having this 13 year old battle on these boards as much as they do today.
    Blame the writing, blame the story, blame the lack of character development. But please, stop blaming the artistic beauty of some of these robots. They really are incredible.
     
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    As an opinion, I think the question / thread title really means "why are the (Bayverse) Transformers so horribly inaccurate (to the version I perceive and/or believe to be everyone's ideal version of the characters)?

    Because, seriously, using the thread starter's example, to me, it sounded like "why wasn't Bayverse Soundwave a blue robot that turned into a tape deck and had a funny voice? "

    I mean, all things considered, it wouldn't have mattered if the Bayverse TF's were essentially different characters or not, or had stayed true to what people thought they should or should not have been as long as they were written COMPETENTLY and COHESIVELY.

    But, no.

    We got, among other things, bipolar Murder Prime, perpetually-******ed Bumblebee and Devastator's testicles.

    And that I think is the greater crime than "why are the Transformers so horribly inaccurate?"

    jya na.
     
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    I see a lot of people put words in my mouth here, no matter how simplistic my points were.
     
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    Okay.

    Re-reading your original post again, then.

    I take it that by saying "inaccurate", which a whole lot of posts have been asking for clarification on, you mean "inaccurate as far as within the whole Bayverse / Knightverse films are concerned"?

    Because, if it is, then I will probably agree with you, but then would say that a better word would be "inconsistent"...

    jya na!
     
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    "A whole lot of posts" No one guy, actually, who consistently ignored what I said.
    It's very simple, when I watch a big budget movie about a thing I like, I wanna see the characters I like on the big screen be adapted at least somewhat faithfully.
    Soundwave is the perfect example for me because of how easy it is to get his basics right (Blue head and the voice, something the most major takes on the guy all share besides Prime, although even that one has the voice.) And they couldn't even do that.
    Soundwave isn't the only one, Optimus being a psychopath or Megatron being useless are horrible too. It's just that Soundwave is the funniest example out there for me.

    That good enough for you?
     
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    Then I guess, the point the previous posts were trying to make is valid.

    "I wanna see the characters I like on the big screen be adapted at least somewhat faithfully..."

    "Blue head and the voice"

    "Optimus being a psychopath"

    Faithfully to what?

    To G1?

    I mean, the "basics" you were mentioning were essentially based on the G1 Sondwave...

    The Bayverse Transformers movies are, as others have pointed out, new versions, new takes, on the characters. They were never meant to be faithful adaptations of the characters other than names and references.

    Now, whether they were actually good references or not is a different discussion all together, but I agree with the previous posters that, yes, if we were to base them to G1 standards, they would be "horribly inaccurate", but compared to everything else, they're just another version of the Transformers characters.

    To answer your question as to why are the transformers so horribly inaccurate, well the simple answer would be that they're different transformers.

    jya na.
     
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    I'll just quote this as my reply:


    jya na
     
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    Dear lord
    1. Yes
    2. In terms of Jetfire's design and character. The more basic foundation of Jetfire (G1, Armada) tends for to be a white and red bot and a scientist, not an old grumpy bot who just mutters every single time he's on screen.

    The reason I didn't answer these questions was because Jetfire is less defined as someone like for example, Soundwave. Mainly because on a popularity tier list Soundwave is much higher than Jetfire, plus Soundwave and his versions tend to have a lot more in common than Jetfires versions. Not every character is the same when it comes to their basics, a simple concept a lot of people struggle to understand here.
    It's genuinely starting to baffle me how little people actually seem to understand that my point simply is "If a character has:
    1. certain defining features nearly every single major version of set character
    2. A version of set character most people are familiar with and is the most iconic one.
    The movies should probably try to adapt that."
     
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    The problem here is that ROTF Jetfire is the best version of the character. Hard to argue against change when it produces glorious results.
     
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    I agree with you to an extent, but the main problem is the characterization of some of the big name Transformers characters like Shockwave, The Dinobots, and The Constructicons. That’s still the main problem to this day! Don’t get me wrong I actually really like a lot of the movies robot designs, but when the big name TF characters are in the film and have no personality outside of generic animal noises that’s when you’ve failed so incredibly hard.

    Don’t get me wrong I like that version of Jetfire, but I really wouldn’t say that’s the best version of Jetfire out there.
     
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    One thing I find interesting is that, if we are talking personality wise (like it was stated in the first post), then Soundwave is actually one of the more faithful of adaptations in the movies. He has this monotone, very calculative tone to his voice, he is a very cunning individual (using humans for the benefit of the Decepticons), among other things. If he had the right design and voice, then he would actually be pretty accurate to several versions of Soundwave, G1 chief among them. Design wise? Eh, not so much.
     
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    Using Soundwave for this argument is a bit flawed since he is one of the more faithful characters in the movies. He is a communications specialist and spy, loyal to Megatron, and has minions in the form of Ravage and Laserbeak. He even shoots Ravage out of his chest in ROTF. Yeah, it's not vocoded, but the voice is technically the same. I feel his head is even recognizable as Soundwave, I mean the ROTF one more so than the DOTM design since that had a visor and at least something resembling a faceplate, but still. Hell I figured most fans were fine with Soundwave in the films aside from having limited screentime. Could he have been more "faithful"? Sure, but this is a different version, a different interpretation, so it's fine.

    Also, I don't see TFW as being G1 obsessed, just some individuals. Going across the various threads and forums I see more people tired of everything being so G1 and wishing for more variety.

    Double also, why even post if, when someone makes a logical argument against your points, you just get mad and upset.
     
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    I don't think you understand what I'm arguing here if you consider Soundwave flawed for it.
    Also, I'm not upset, though.
    What just because I think people make dumb arguments it means I'm mad?
     
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    Find me another version of Jetfire who's father was the wheel, the first wheel.
     
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    I don’t think you’ve really made it clear what you are arguing, though? The conversation will start going and then rather than responding why you disagree, you’ll bring it to a grinding halt by responding with stuff like this:
    Let me out it this way. Inaccuracy is something that is prevalent throughout the entire Transformers series as a whole, so it feels weird to specifically call out the movies for that. Saying that you want consistency is completely fine, but that doesn’t fall solely on the films. That should go for the whole Transformers franchise since it’s never been consistent with designs and character portrayals.
     
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    When I've said multiple times what I'm arguing in my posts, I think eventually it's on you for not getting it.
    Also movies are on a whole different level than a tv show, comics or a just one off hand toy.
     
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    I don’t think Soundwave is a bad example it’s just not discussed very well right at the moment. Soundwave acts just like the majority of his G1 counterparts and the design isn’t bad the problem is his character just feels like “been there done that” moment in the movies and didn’t really feel interesting or unique.

    Remember TF Prime was out at the time and it still had Soundwave act like his G1 counterpart, but the design was completely different and was almost completely silent through out the series and it worked in the show’s favor.

    Why? Because people who actually gave a shit about the characters and lore could make a show that respects it’s audience and the fans. That’s why they could take creative risks that differs from the G1 show and formula. That’s why TF Prime was a great show was because the people who created the show care about the IP.

    That’s the problem with the movies. They have no heart in the characters, story, or lore. Mostly because Michael Bay didn’t care about the Transformers franchise to begin with and all the movies are proof of how terrible they are when they get people who don’t care about a franchise to begin with to make the films of that franchise.
     
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