Who would win in a fight? TFA megatron or TFP megatron?

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Who would win?

  1. TFA megatron

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  1. SPLIT LIP

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    TFA Megatron never got emotional. He never made rash decisions or failed to think something through. TFP Megs was too hasty, and often made very poor decisions based on in-the-moment emotions or short-term gain. Killing Dreadwing was hasty and foolish, and he would've been better off letting Starscream die as the Decepticons didn't suffer at all from his absence, nor did they prosper from his being present from that point on. He killed the Predacons because he was afraid they'd turn on him, which only served to cause Predaking to turn on him. TFA Megatron was very opportunistic and thought things through. He only disposed of assets if they'd completely exhausted their use, and actually tried to win over more potential allies than he did remove potential threats. Had he not thought so lowly of the Autobots (which is understandable, they're basically power line technicians and he's the supreme leader of the most powerful army) I could even see him trying to coax them into aiding him. Not that Optimus would ever believe him, but the thing is that's TFA Megatron's MO. He thinks, he explores avenues other, lesser leaders like TFP Megs would foolishly overlook.

    Combine his proactive attitude, his patience, and his intelligence, TFA Megatron is a far sharper sword than TFP Megs. And that's on top of him being physically superior, just based on their observed feats of strength, speed, and endurance.
     
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    TFA Megatron was a quick analyzer on the battlefield. He was stronger than Lugnut, had senses as sharp as Prowl, and was probably Gladiatorial tier in the Prime of his life. When TFA Megatron "died" in the start of the series, he saw it as a wakeup call after millions of years not to bear the same mistakes again and improve. That's why TFA Megatron would win.

    TFP Megatron never saw to his errors to his ways and only relied on the latest gimmicks. He was nearly was dethroned by Optimus after he killed an mindless Insecticon and couldn't beat Predaking in a fair fight. He's pre-TFA Megatron in a nutshell. Who was oblivious to Starscream's bomb and underestimated his opponents, except multiply that to fit an entire series. Which is why he'd lose.
     
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    @SPLIT LIP and @GeoSociety

    Neither of you is willing to address scaling. TFP Megs beats tougher Autobots than TFA Megs. That's a fact.

    The fact that TFA Megs LOST THE WAR to weaker and inferior Autotobts is a testament to his poor leadership and that he isn't all that smart.

    Look what TFP Megs was doing. Always commissioning new weapons. Building giant spacebridges, bio weapons, predacons, synthetic energon. TFA Megs was just an opportunist. Steal the allspark, steal the spacebridge tech, steal the protoforms. He's not creative at all.

    In talking about arrogance TFA Megs didn't even bother naming most of his foes, it took the finale for him to say Opimus Prime's name. He couldn't even beat Optimus when he had two swords and only recently took to flying. He's a noob compared to TFP Megs.
     
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    TFA autobots can survive atmospheric re-entry while TFP autobots dont.
     
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    I think you're forgetting the fact that the Decepticons were beating the Autobots on all fronts until the latter took extreme measures, such as sending the AllSpark through a Space Bridge portal to a random corner of the universe, where it was never supposed to be found. The Autobots also developed Space Bridge technology in general, as well as the Omega Sentinels, which were largely responsible for turning the tide.
     
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    No, it's not, because again, TFP Megatron was inconsistent with his power. If TFP Megatron was so powerful, why didn't he simply shoot all the Autobots and be done with it?

    TFP Megatron was weak because even with 100% air superiority and TWO GODDAMN ENTIRE ARMIES ON A FULLY FUNCTIONAL FLYING BATTLESHIP, he couldn't defeat at most SIX AUTOBOTS.

    TFA Megatron could have crushed the space janitor team of Autobots whenever he felt like it - he just didn't even consider them a threat to him in the slightest. After all, right after he was up and walking and the AllSpark was no longer an objective he could obtain due to its destruction, his focus went right toward resuming his conquest of Cybertron.

    Not to mention TFP Megatron took the exploding Spacebridge to the face and was in a coma for a while. TFA Megatron had the AllSpark itself within his chest get detonated, meaning it was right next to his spark, and he was perfectly fine.

    You do understand that part of the reason TFA Megs lost the war was A) the AllSpark was launched into deep space to keep it out of Decepticon hands (indeed, this is the catalyst for the first episode which you obviously did not watch) and B, the Autobots built Omega Supreme who was a walking goddamn death machine as proven when Omega wakes up on Earth, realizes the Autobots are in trouble, and in one shot basically nukes all the Decepticons.

    Officially, Omega is not the only Supreme. The Elite Guard ship? That's DELTA Supreme. There was an entire army of these fuckers. And that's probably lending some poetic irony to the fact Animated ends with Megatron utilizing Lugnut Supreme variants of that same army.

    Like...?

    You do realize that TFA Megatron not only built one himself all through Animated S2, but he simply had Shockwave stationed as an inside man so the Decepticons could simply overtake the existing spacebridge network the Autobots already built, right? Of course you don't. That's why you're still having this argument.

    You mean Tox-En, which was A) treated as a relic and B) only was used in one episode and then the only significance was that it contributed to almost killing Bulkhead? I mean, it's a pretty weak-ass thing to use given it failed at the one job it was created to do.

    Which he then turned around and fucking destroyed before ever actually getting to use beyond the prototype guy Predaking. Ultimately, a complete and utter waste of resources.

    Also a one-episode wonder.

    And you're saying taking the enemy's advantages and turning them against them somehow isn't a viable combat strategy?

    I mean, goddamn, that's part of how the Allies won WWII. The Germans had the ENIGMA encryption but believed it to be impossible to crack (in so far as they were going to win the war before it was possible), so when it actually was cracked, suddenly the Germans might as well have been telling the Allies their every move over the radio in fluent English. One of their greatest advantages had been turned against them and they didn't even know it.

    TFP Megatron's "creativity" as you put it is also demonstrated in how Germany lost WWII. Just look up Hitler's beloved wunderwaffe programs. Some were successes, but most were simply wastes of resources, and even those that were successes like the Me-262 Scwalbe, the world's first operational jet fighter, came at a high resource and personnel cost that ultimately did more to hurt the flagging Third Reich than attempt to prevent the inevitable defeat.

    Because Megatron didn't consider the Autobots, particularly Prime, even a threat until the end. That's part of Animated's unique angle - the core team of Autobots are not the best of the lot as they typically are in other series. Prime, despite being a high rank of leadership in the organization, isn't how Optimus is treated by his peers because he's stuck as the head of a dysfunctional space janitor team. In the first episode, Megatron's missing a goddamn arm and he's still easily moping the floor and about to kill Optimus who is hopelessly outclassed and only saves the team and defeats Megatron with quick thinking. In the final episode, you have Optimus having three seasons of growth both as an individual and as a leader, and even with the massive upgrade of the Wingblade Armor, is only barely able to outlast Megatron in a true 1v1. Megatron finally saying Optimus's name at the end is the capstone of Optimus's characer arc - the rookie leader who daydreams of the heroics of the great war has become the hero that the greatest Decepticon ever recognizes as an equal.

    TFP Megatron can't wrap his head around the idea that Miko pushed a button and that somehow led to Hardshell's death. By missiles. He is, in every way, a moron.
     
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    If you didn't notice Megatron send his lackeys to the fighting. He doesn't shoot them for the same reason as his minions, the autobots keep dodging!

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    Said Autobots were army-stomping elites with human MILITARY allies. Plus he does woops their afts in plenty of fights. But these are Autobot commandos engaging in hit and run tactics. They use a hidden base and keep ground bridging in and out of battlefields. TFA Megs on the otherhand can't crush a bunch of maintenance bots, not even Elite Guard...



    Well he kept losing to them so that's hard to believe.



    That was a way smaller explosion. Plus your forgetting TFA Meg's body was absolutely scattered from the entry to Earth and reduced to a stripped down head. Whereas TFP Meg's body was intact after falling a much higher distance.



    Yes TFA Megs lost the war. End of story. TFP Megs wasn't such a failure.

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    I already typed out the list bruh.



    He STOLE the designs and planned to STEAL the autobot network. Stealing is not creative.



    No the cybonic plague. God watch the show first! You don't know what you're talking about.



    Yeah because unlike the dumbass TFA Megs who's lugnut supreme's were hacked by Starscream, TFP Megs wasn't going to risk a whole army turning against him. Better to have 1 mistake than a whole army of them.

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    Watch the show. It's used to fuel the omega lock and Megs keeps Knockout working on it until he persuades Ratchet.

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    No but when it's all you do instead of thinking of new weapons, it's no wonder TFA Megs kept losing.



    That's still arrogance because he's faced the same team several times before the end of the show. What a bone head.

    No he thought Wheeljack did it and was stunned when he was informed Miko did it. There was no precedent for it. Humans weren't piloting autobot ships before. That doesn't make him an idiot.

    Look the argument isn't who's a better leader or smarter. It's who can win in a fight and again when scaling up TFP Megs wins because he beats tougher opponents.
     
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    Dude, you're so angry your quotes are messed up. I know you're new, but you're clearly familiar with the board tech and have used quotes properly before now. Chill out.

    TFPrime Autobots are not tougher than TFA Autobots. There's nothing to support this idea, and plenty of evidence that shows they're at least comparable in strength and durability.

    TBF, there's nothing wrong with Decepticons being on a similar power scale, but in doing so it removes the ability for Megatron to play the "too strong to be used" card TFA Megatron did. And even if it didn't, TFA Megs was either stuck as a head, busy building a Space Bridge, or lost in space when he wasn't on screen. TFPrime Megs was literally standing around doing nothing for multiple episodes at a time. (despite ominous allusions to some master plan, which turned out to be the ridiculous Unicron prophecy that required no real preparations in the end)

    TFPrime Megs also lost. In fact he lost worse. TFA Megs had at most three troops at any given time and lived in a cave, with a box of scraps. TFPrime Megs had legions, and a battleship, and couldn't do shit against five guys.

    Smarts matter more in a fight than brute strength. (and again, TFPrime Megatron's enemies aren't tougher) If you are smarter than your opponent, especially when both characters are already powerful, victory is yours.

    TFP Megatron just can't compete. He's outgunned, and outwitted.
     
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    As much as I enjoyed TFP, this always annoyed me. Either make both sides have large armies or be small groups or squads. Don't have it so a handful of bots or cons can take out legions of troops on their own.
     
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    Then what the hell is the point of everybody having guns in the first place? Not to mention this hillariously undermines your argument that TFP Megatron was any good since now you're implying he can not hit moving targets. Wow.

    And just where were those allies when they, oh, stormed the Energon mine? The half-dozen or so times they just waltzed onto the Nemesis? Name some episodes why don't you because the only time I can even recall any actual physical military assistance being present normally involved Fowler flying some kind of aircraft which was promptly scanned as the alt. mode for some new Decepticon.

    Okay, Ultra Magnus, literally the only Autobot with guns and isn't a Supreme, got laid out by a single shot from a resurrected Starscream.

    That same Starscream (in fact in the same episode IIRC) got his ass handed to him multiple times by Megatron. In quick succession. And he sounded bored while he did it.

    So did Prime Megatron. How long did New Kaon last? THREE EPISODES before the status quo was restored, Prime was back alive, and they just chilled at a different military base since they outright said early in Prime S1 that the Autobots were just using a decommissioned missile silo as a base.

    Every single thing Prime Megatron ever did was rolled right back in his face to keep the Autobots on top. At the end of S1 Animated, Megatron's back in action, the AllSpark is gone, and Sumdac is Megatron's prisoner meaning the Bots no longer have support of Sumdac Industries. That lasts all of S2.

    Wrong again. First off, his hand also was recovered - it's Sumdac's chair for all of S1
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    Second, his body did survive
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    And three, that detonation was of a life giving space artifact of pure energy. In his chest. He should have been blown apart by your logic by not surviving re-entry intact.
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    TFA Megatron was still alive when all was said and done following his brutal one-on-one fight with Prime, no need for Unicron bullshit.

    Prime Megatron?
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    The only reason he even ultimately survives this is because of some side effect of Dark Energon he had no clue about (nor seemed to even want given he was Unicron's puppet as a result), so you can't attribute him being alive at the end of Predacons Rising to foresight.

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    I already typed out the list bruh.[/quote]

    Oh, so his creativity amounted to playing hide and go seek with a bunch of ancient shit he didn't even know was on the planet originally?

    More creative than simply brute-forcing everything which you seem to think is an admirable trait.

    You forgot Animated Megatron's body did survive re-entry and you're telling me to watch the source material? Double standards much.

    And that was because of Megatron's oversight - the only reason that even happens is because Lugnut is disconnected from the Lugnut Supremes, as well as Megatron having needed to use Starscream's head originally to control Omega Supreme earlier in the season (As well as the 'Starscream virus' having appeared at the beginning of S3 so this was not an ass-pull either).

    TFP Megatron only destroyed the protoforms because, as you put it, the risk of them turning against him, but that only ensured that something that might have happened actually was guaranteed to happen. He absolutely did not need to destroy the protoforms because he was scared - especially since Predaking pretty much wanted nothing more than for his people to be resurrected and him in charge, but in turn Megatron would be in charge of Predaking. What's even funnier is this isn't even the first time that somebody's come up to Megatron and basically wanted something Megatron had to put no additional effort into giving them in return for what they gave him (kill sat, an insanely competent and powerful general that scared the shit out of Starscream), and Megatron's fucked it all up.

    I think you forgot the episode Thirst because what happens?

    All the Insecticons turn against Megatron because that bitch Airachnid, whose ability to control them is never explained, is still alive.

    Its as if she should have been killed ASAP instead of simply being hauled off from the wreckage of the Autobot base, which the show made a point of making sure people knew she was still alive.

    That doesn't change the fact the show could have said Megatron had Knockout learning sign language to communicate with silverback apes and had the same result - the only time synth en actually mattered was when it made Ratchet go nuts. And the only reason they even needed to have synth en? Because Megatron was a fucking idiot back in Darkness Rising who left the evidence that led the autobots to the Energon mine, whereupon Megatron had the mine detonated...completely cutting off the Decepticons from a secure supply of the stuff that until then, Starscream had kept secret and efficently functional for years right under the Autobot's noses.

    Again, why build new shit that doesn't work when you can just take existing shit that already works?

    Isn't this literally what Prime Megatron does anyway to get the Insecticons in the first place? Or the kill sat given to him by Silasdown? Or, y'know, litterally stealing another dude's entire arm. You don't seem to be acting like Prime Megatron simply utilizing existing things is a problem the way you act like TFA Megatron wasn't "creative" in the way actual wars are won.

    And how many times did Prime Megatron face off against Team Prime and lost? Seriously, at the end of the day, Prime Megatron had to resort to kidnapping children to force the Autobots to heel.

    Again, it's pushing a button for pete's sake. Humans do this every single day in video games. A goddamn moron can push buttons.


    But Miko wasn't flying the damn ship. That was Wheeljack. There is a clear difference between flying aircraft and pushing a button like its a video game.

    So you're saying a small adult female vs a giant mechanical T-rex that shoots more missiles than a Macross fighter would mean the latter would always win because how could a tiny ass human win against a killing machine?

     
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    Oh, so his creativity amounted to playing hide and go seek with a bunch of ancient shit he didn't even know was on the planet originally?



    More creative than simply brute-forcing everything which you seem to think is an admirable trait.



    You forgot Animated Megatron's body did survive re-entry and you're telling me to watch the source material? Double standards much.



    And that was because of Megatron's oversight - the only reason that even happens is because Lugnut is disconnected from the Lugnut Supremes, as well as Megatron having needed to use Starscream's head originally to control Omega Supreme earlier in the season (As well as the 'Starscream virus' having appeared at the beginning of S3 so this was not an ass-pull either).

    TFP Megatron only destroyed the protoforms because, as you put it, the risk of them turning against him, but that only ensured that something that might have happened actually was guaranteed to happen. He absolutely did not need to destroy the protoforms because he was scared - especially since Predaking pretty much wanted nothing more than for his people to be resurrected and him in charge, but in turn Megatron would be in charge of Predaking. What's even funnier is this isn't even the first time that somebody's come up to Megatron and basically wanted something Megatron had to put no additional effort into giving them in return for what they gave him (kill sat, an insanely competent and powerful general that scared the shit out of Starscream), and Megatron's fucked it all up.



    I think you forgot the episode Thirst because what happens?

    All the Insecticons turn against Megatron because that bitch Airachnid, whose ability to control them is never explained, is still alive.

    Its as if she should have been killed ASAP instead of simply being hauled off from the wreckage of the Autobot base, which the show made a point of making sure people knew she was still alive.



    That doesn't change the fact the show could have said Megatron had Knockout learning sign language to communicate with silverback apes and had the same result - the only time synth en actually mattered was when it made Ratchet go nuts. And the only reason they even needed to have synth en? Because Megatron was a fucking idiot back in Darkness Rising who left the evidence that led the autobots to the Energon mine, whereupon Megatron had the mine detonated...completely cutting off the Decepticons from a secure supply of the stuff that until then, Starscream had kept secret and efficently functional for years right under the Autobot's noses.



    Again, why build new shit that doesn't work when you can just take existing shit that already works?

    Isn't this literally what Prime Megatron does anyway to get the Insecticons in the first place? Or the kill sat given to him by Silasdown? Or, y'know, litterally stealing another dude's entire arm. You don't seem to be acting like Prime Megatron simply utilizing existing things is a problem the way you act like TFA Megatron wasn't "creative" in the way actual wars are won.



    And how many times did Prime Megatron face off against Team Prime and lost? Seriously, at the end of the day, Prime Megatron had to resort to kidnapping children to force the Autobots to heel.



    Again, it's pushing a button for pete's sake. Humans do this every single day in video games. A goddamn moron can push buttons.




    But Miko wasn't flying the damn ship. That was Wheeljack. There is a clear difference between flying aircraft and pushing a button like its a video game.



    So you're saying a small adult female vs a giant mechanical T-rex that shoots more missiles than a Macross fighter would mean the latter would always win because how could a tiny ass human win against a killing machine?

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    Agreed.
     
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    He can hit moving targets like he was swatting insecticons with his fusion cannon. The point is the Autobots are seasoned veterans not worthless maintenance junkies. Scaling!

    When they destroyed skymount. Or When Fowler attacked Skyquake. Just watch the show. Watch the show. Engage your brain and then come back here.

    You mean when he was hit point blank with a blaster to the face. I'm sure most bots in most universes can't take that. In fact that's usually an execution shot ala Bayverse.

    Plus TFP Megs wasted a whole team of Starscream clones in mere seconds. Taking out one Starscream is hardly a boast worthy accomplishment in comparison.

    Hahaha. Are you serious? TFP Autobots were barely in the running. Why do you think they were doing hit and run tactics in the first place? They were outnumbered, low on Energon and had less infrastructure.

    In Animated the Autobots were making the gains. They were recovering Allspark fragments and they rescue Sumdac in S3. Sari gets her powers and the Autobots get upgrades. So yes Megatron went from losing the war, to being just a plain loser.

    He literally wiped the floor with the nearly the whole of Team Prime when Optimus was getting his memories back. Even when Optimus was back the team still retreated with Megatron tanking blaster fire and advancing on them all by himself.

    QUOTE=Again, it's pushing a button for pete's sake. Humans do this every single day in video games. A goddamn moron can push buttons.[/QUOTE]

    He expected Wheeljack killed Hardshell that doesn't make him a moron. That's the most logical conclusion that a giant robot that's 100s of years old part of the elite Wreckers team made the kill. Not a juvenile primitive meat sack.

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    You're going off topic. It's who would win in a fight TFP Megs or TFA. Don't bring videogames into it, they're not realistic. I mean that character just survived being trampled by several tonnes of metal!
     
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    And you aren't?

    Because TFA and TFP strive for physical realism.
     
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    I'm trying to get back on topic on who would win in a fight. But others want to talk about why TFA Megs is the smartest ever which isn't the topic.

    Or videogames.
     
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    So when Megatron is standing right over Prime during Darkness Rising with the posturing and the whole "we've been at this a long time haven't we" bit, he couldn't have just pointed the gun at point blank range and open fire because his enemy was right there?

    So your answer is once. Because really, if Fowler hadn't even been involved with the Skyquake thing, then Skyquake wouldn't have even gotten an earth mode in the first place, so that was more of a detriment than assistance.

    Try watching that clip again - the null laser is pointed at his face, but the shot drifts down as the beam grows in size and it his his chest.

    And yet that same Megatron had issues taking on a large army of Insecticons, you keep ignoring that Megatron was easily getting overwhelmed by cannon fodder.

    They were not doing hit-and-run tactics. They went after the Energon mine not because it was a critical resource for the Decepticons - because they literally did nothing but show up and murder miners (which makes them hypocritical later in the show when Prime scolds ratchet for this despite Prime himself running miners over as part of the whole 'Maximum Overdrive' bit) to investigate Cliffjumper's signal, and then Megatron blew up the mine for them.

    And then later, it's Prime and Ratchet against an army of zombies and they easily win. Why didn't Megatron just shoot them while they were distracted fighting zombies?

    Only after having to blow up the AllSpark and ensuring it would never be whole again.

    At the cost of losing Omega Supreme, their home (who also becomes Megatron's shiny new toy in S3)

    Nearly kills Bumblebee and then herself in the process.

    Yes, but to standard weapons grade armaments - the entire time up until the beginning of S3, Bumblebee has basically been using welding torches to fight fully armed Decepticons.

    And how is this worse than how TFP Megatron got run through with a sword by a guy who was already dead and had to asspull his own resurrection out of thin air? Oh, and then became Unicron's bitch, and when that was over he kinda just fucked off instead of, y'know, sticking around to help rebuild the planet he fucking wrecked multiple times over like an asshole.

    Plot Armor. And again, you chew out TFA Megatron when he not only did that, but he did it after losing an arm.

    What difference does it make who pushed the damn button is the point. Megatron - and now you - are acting like Miko killed Hardshell with nothing but her bare hands instead of rocket powered munitions.

    No, it's David and Goliath. A seven foot tall beast of a man loses to a boy after the boy slingshots a rock right between Goliath's eyes.

    You aren't arguing who would win in a fight between the Megatrons, you're arguing nothing more than a competition of pure strength. That's not combat. Combat is situational and as much, if not more, a battle of intelligence than strength. Your logic dictates that the rebels shouldn't have won the American Revolution because all you do is look at the physical capability - the British Army far outstripped what the colonists could cobble together. But no, the British lost the war because the colonist rebels employed then-unconventional tactics and flat out subterfuge while the British were trying to fight a conventional war as they understood it. Ever heard of Washington crossing the Delaware River? He took out a whole camp of highly trained Hessian mercenary veterans without firing a shot because he captured them when they were sleeping off partying hard during Christmas.

    Or the sinking of the German battleship Bismarck. At the outbreak of WWII, that battleship sunk the pride of the British fleet and the Brits were hell bent on revenge. What happened ultimately was a slow-as-hell biplane flew so low, the powerful anti-air of the Bismarck couldn't aim low enough to hit a plane that couldn't fly against a stiff breeze and so took a torpedo to the rudder, jamming it in a hard turn and forcing the most powerful German battleship of its day to be scuttled by her own crew to avoid capture because for all its power, it couldn't take out a single plane.

    History is full of examples where combat was won not by pure strength, but by cunning, intelligence, and sometimes flat out luck. And you are refusing to understand that TFA Megatron is far, far smarter than TFP Megatron and could turn any situation to his advantage. Hell, something as simple as throwing TFP Megatron off balance as mocking him for being a loser who threw his planet into a pointless war when the council snubbed his demand to be made a Prime, would be enough to distract TFP Megatron from noticing whatever TFA Megatron is actually planning (like, say, kiting him into a minefield because again, TFA Megatron can fly in robot mode - TFP Megatron can't)
     
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    Actually, tfp megs didn't kill the five of them because if he did, tfp wouldn't be very interesting. The writers had to make money and not end the show in the first couple of episodes.
     
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    Sure he could fire his cannon but Optimus can parry blasts with his arm blades.



    Or the time Fowler was fending of hordes of cons in the S2 finale.



    The beam doesn't miss his face though. That's pretty weak if he couldn't kill an Autobot at that range.



    Yeah he was surrounded by large armies of insecticons. That somehow makes him weaker than TFA Megs who can't take out 5 lowly Autobot repair junkies. Also insecticons are more like super heavy grunts than vehicons. Arcee struggled with one on Cybetron.



    Most vehicons we see are armed and always hostile. I dunno what you call ground bridging to a location attacking and then ground bridging out. They're not advancing territory.

    Maybe Megs can't just shoot at Prime because Optimus can block fusion cannon blasts with his blades.



    The shards are still useful and they manage to cobble a near complete allspark by the end.

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    Omega wasn't around to help them all the time anyway. Plus Megs was a prisoner aboard Omega Supreme randomly spacebridging to different locations. What a nice toy.



    Then she gains control and the autobots gain a powerful ally who can interface with and upgrade tech.



    Is the magnus hammer a standard armament?



    Then got an upgrade from Unicron flew off and was FREE whilst TFA Megs was rusting in a cell. Then in RID 2015 his loyalists are still trying to get him back. Contrast to Animated which had no direct sequel because other than a acutely small fanatical groupies, it largely washed over the masses and summarily forgotten.

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    Lol "plot armour". Except he's been shot at multiple times and shrugs it off. Arcee shot him, just made him move his arm. Upgraded Optimus shoots his mingun at him, he just changes course. Optimus fires at him at point blank range, he just flies off to fry Bumblebee. TFA Megs after getting bombed his arm cut by Prowl and kicked out the docking bay by a bot half his size in the first 2 episodes of the show! Yeah what a tough guy.



    At what point did Megatron express the idea that Miko killed Hardshell with her bare hands? That's just your own unique interpretation.

    We're not talking about who has the better army TFA or TFP either? You're saying TFA Megs is a smart fighter yet he struggles against an inexperienced elite guard drop out in single combat.

    Whereas TFP Megs is a confirmed champion of kaon. He's been shown to fight with martial arts techniques. He can fight bigger foes and he can win even with handicaps.

    This isn't Sherlock Holmes. TFA Megs isn't going to discombulate TFP Megs. He never has, it's not in his character or moveset.

    TFP Megs for the last time is not a dumb brute. He isn't the hulk who speaks broken english. He's not some animu villain who names his attacks "Fusion power cannon fire!". He's a gladiator, he fights to win. He doesn't fight fair and he doesn't just rely on brute strength.

    What irony. TFA Megs uses his power to fight opponents 1/2 his size but you accuse TFP Megs of being the brute?

    You're hypothetical argument that TFA Megs would play mindgames doesn't ring true. He never tried it with the Autobots, he just tried to smash them with his big heavy swords.

    Again the argument is who would win in a 1v1 fight. You're imaginary TFA Batman Megs is a far cry from the real TFA Megs who lost to inexperienced maintenance bots.

    Until you can appreciate the difference between the foes TFA faced (and lost to) - shorter maintenance bots and the the foes TFP Megs could beat (seasoned well-armed soldiers) then you really have no idea who would win in an actual 1v1 fight.
     
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    He was climbing a goddam rock wall.

    I mean, TFP Optimus is a dumbass. The Nemesis Prime episode, how long is it between when Fowler gets Silas away from the controls, to Prime actually realizing that Nemesis Prime has stopped moving entirely? Five whole minutes?

    That just shows how weak the TFP Decepticons are.

    Or the alternative is true - Ultra Magnus is just that tough. Funny how the possible answer that doesn't help you isn't mentioned by you.

    Again, he absolutely would have killed all five at the start of the series had Prime not hit the airlock button and thus Megatron was defeated by the pull of Earth's gravity.

    I mean, we're talking the five Autobots who got team wiped by Lugnut punching the ground. And Megatron is stronger than that.

    They're still grunts though.

    Most vehicons we see are armed and always hostile. I dunno what you call ground bridging to a location attacking and then ground bridging out. They're not advancing territory.

    HE WAS CLIMBING A ROCK WALL. Your excuse for why TFP Megatron can't kill Optimus Prime with his cannon despite literally being point blank range has shifted from 'they dodge' to 'Prime somehow can deflect fusion cannon fire even when his arms are preoccupied doing something else.'

    Plus, Dreadwing died in one hit from his own gun. This would imply that either Dreadwing was a weak ass bastard...or that Megatron's own fusion cannon was pathetically weak to begin with.

    That's not the complete AllSpark. You don't know how many shards there were. You don't even know how many they collected to make the psuedo-Matrix. And the point still stands that they lost the entire AllSpark which still is a loss no matter how many shards they got back.


    And yet Megatron got out and was able to create the Lugnut Supremes.

    I'm sorry, Prime has the Autobots swinging around the goddamn Forge of Solus Prime and the Star Saber... and you seem to think a battle hammer with electric powers is pushing the definition of 'standard armament'?


    Now you're just arguing things that were beyond the control of Hasbro, since Animated was (or based on recent information, still is) a victim of Cartoon Network legal bullshit and this was around the time Hasbro would transfer over to the HUB.

    And Animated absolutely got the sequel it needed - the AllSpark Almanacs. Prime got a TFCon panel where Rik Alverez pointed out the entire thing was a shitshow from day one.

    Prime Megatron was completely at Starscream's mercy when Screamer found his comatose body drifting in low earth orbit and absolutely could have killed him. He simply didn't because Soundwave was watching, not like there was anything Soundwave could have done anyway. Yeah, what a tough guy.

    Then tell me, what difference does it make between Miko pushing the button to launch the missiles, or Wheeljack pushing the button to launch the missiles?

    Are you bringing up the final fight in Animated between Prime and Megatron? The one where Prime has been absurdly upgraded with the Wingblade Armor? At that point he isn't the inexperienced elite guard dropout, he's a combat veteran with the power to actually challenge and win against Megatron. It isn't like he curbstomps Megatron, either.

    And yet he got stabbed by fucking Bumblebee.

    Misdirection and proxy use is entirely within TFA Megatron's moveset. Looks like you didn't read the Animated comics.

    His toy satellite blows up and he sends Silasdown to die, even though Silas did nothing wrong and it was all entirely Soundwave's fault. Silas could have handed Megatron the entire Earth on a silver platter and instead Megatron throws a temper tantrum because the Autobots won yet again.

    And you're saying the majority of the TFP Autobots also weren't half that Megatron's size?

    Oh, so convincing Omega Supreme, who has Megatron trapped inside his own body, to simply take him to Cybertron instead of simply killing him isn't a mindgame?

    Having planted Shockwave as his high-ranking inside spy (he's the head of Autobot intelligence!) which leads to Ultra Magnus being incapacitated?

    Your TFP Megatron lost to a human child who was good with computer code.
     
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    Optimus has 2 arm cannons. If Megs fires at him, guess what? He'll fire back.

    We're not talking about TFP Prime's intelligence. Stop going off topic.

     
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    Damn this thread is still going? I thought you guys would pick a winner by now