Discussion in 'Transformers Comics Discussion' started by Gojira Prime, Dec 3, 2016.
Curious how this break down for comic readers.
The functionists by far. Their filosophy and the way they have succeeded in controling every aspect of a persons life to the point of turning everyone in a spy against each other is 1984 levels of fucked up.
The DJD. The crux of the Functionists was that they wanted to force everyone to do certain jobs, even if they hated them, correct?
Well, that's the reality for most of us in our own world. Many of us have to work jobs we hate to survive. Functionism serves much the same purpose as capitalism. The rest (empurata, spying) was just ways to enforce their power, which isn't really unique. It's not like Megatron or the DJD would be down for everyone thinking, saying, and doing whatever harmless things they want. We saw that with the DJD's murder of a loyal but religious Decepticon.
At least the Functionists seem to kill you quickly, without sadistically, purposefully drawing it out to torture you.
The Functionists were awful with the treatment of their citizens (Thanks Nova you big jerk), but with the DJD Megatron just recreated that crooked ideology on a smaller but harsher scale. Empurata and Shadowplay are terrible forms of punishment, but the DJD were a lot worse with the brain in the mouth bit, the domestication bit, and every other form of torture they enacted. When I think about it, Beast Wars Megatron was an evil son of a bitch, but in comparison to the DJD he was a bloody saint on the same level of Optimus Prime. Hell I'm not even sure Unicron or Liege Maximo would have been as cruel as the DJD and they were given titles like Chaos Bringer and Ultimate Evil respectfully, the only one who is somewhat crueller than Tarn is Overlord.
Functionalism goes a bit further than forcing people to do certain jobs though.
Its a philosophy that is about total control.
The djd are an instrument for the decepticon movement. Their goal is to instill mortal terror into every member of the decepticon army in order to ensure total obedience to its commander.
It has become obvious that the djd derailed drastically and started torturing and killing for what seem like minor offences.
But these acts for a decepticon soldier still fall within a clear framework of what will become of you if you fail to conform.
As a decepticon soldier you are very much a cog in the machinery, but at its most extreme the decepticon army gives you room for independent thought, for amusement of your choosing to a degree,depending on your rank for initiative even.
For a citizen
They're both expression of the same. A desire for total control of someone else, body and mind.
The DJD were much more primitive, mundane and small scale, though. Which makes the Functionists much more scary in the long term.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the DJD are *terrifying*. They're also a group, a unit of five killers that strike wide fear.
The Functionists are a society. A mindset that has it's hooks in bots long after it's officially abolished.
I didnt even realise i posted that after all
When i came to the part about the functionists i realised i was gonna say basically the same thing but in different ways and thought thats rubbish.
So yeah they are basically the same, only on small and large scale and with different accents, but its all about control.
The DJD is ultimately a rather small group. They are incredibly scary, but we'd like to thank Nickel for bringing that fear down a level. That much concern for a bunch of crazed killers somehow humanizes them. Plus, they are taken out by Megatron.
The functionists? Hoo boy! They're much larger in scale, and they are far less human. Remember the Functionist Universe? Remember what happened to Whirl? They're quite scary.
Functionism is far more unnerving, not least because you can actually make a moral argument for it in hindsight. (This is why Rewind shot Megatron.) But the utter dispassionate use of citizens by their own society is existentially terrifying, whereas the DJD are just torture porn serial killers for robots. The perversion of ideology that produced the DJD is honestly a lot easier to understand than Functionism--while the DJD are just hyper-extreme revolutionaries, Functionism starts with the premise that there is no such thing as "humanity."
If the DJD are the Klingons, Functionism is IngSoc.
In basic terms, yes.
But the inability to choose a career came from the fundamental philosophy of not all bots are equal, and certain "classes" are worth more than others. It was descrimination and elitism. An entire subclass of robots were actually considered disposable. The inability to choose to do what you wanted to do was honestly the least offensive thing they did. It wasn't that a tank couldn't be a scientist, it's that a tank had to be a dirt-mover and a miner with no rights or quality of life.
That's like saying the worst part of slavery was the long hours.
But the Funcionists ruled Cybertron. The DJD are just a buncha assholes in a galaxy filled with assholes. You can run from the DJD, you couldn't run from the Functionists.
The DJD are just a bunch of thugs who think they're hot shit.
the Functionist are controlling every aspect of your life: what you do, who you are, who you can socialize with, and how long you remain "useful".
Moment you stop having any use, or step out of line, you're dead.
Yeah, but we aren't gonna be killed for becoming obsolete or wanting to changed jobs.
^ Not directly killed, no, just stripped of resources and allowed to linger, demonized by the mass media, forever.
One Mass Recall (or at the least the more major ones) probably tops 4 million years of DJD bodycount in one dispassionate decision.
The DJD was all just gore and tortureporn. The Functionist society presented a more demented form of sociological torture that was just more intriguing to me. Like the TV-head presenting advertisements between sentences, or their casual reasoning behind the mass recall of the disposable class.
Any group that can normalise mass genocide is always going to get my vote for this. We only got a glimpse of a Functionist controlled Cybertron, and it was horrifying .
The DJD are small potatoes compared to that. Just a bunch of murdering, Decepticon fan boys.
That is what hit me most too.
To the djd murder is a way to kill dissidents and kill others, they obviously enjoy it too.
To the functionists murder is a bureaucratic decision to get rid of a bunch of workers that have no purpose anymore.
This and the fact they have such abaolute power over their society that they CAN do this without any real opposition is horrific beyond reason.
They have ABSOLUTE control over every aspect of a persons life.
Easily the Functionists, even when the DJD had the myth of early issues bolstering their horrors.
I understand the question, but shouldn't we be hailing Megatron, even though he started the DJD, he did end them and also if not for Megatrons revolution the functionalists would still be in power right?
But to answer the question, I think the functionalists world is worst because once it reaches its full potential it would be a harder world to derail from power than if you just have 5 DJD members running around. Like the alternate world in MTMTE #35, i think a world that engulfed by them would take more than just a decepticon movement to stop it.
I feel that the initial question isn't comparing apples to apples. The Functionists are a separate society, a separate belief. The DJD, meanwhile, are simply enforcers of their society's beliefs. It would be more accurate to compare the Functionists to the Decepticon faction as a whole. The Cons are the guys who reduced planetary genocide to a bureaucratic six-step process. If you want to compare the DJD to something, you want to look at the Functionists' secret police. You'll find that there ain't a whole lot of difference.
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