Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Single Elegant Machine, Jan 29, 2014.
"Planet wide genocide" Yeah, Beast Machines is definitely darker.
-more Vehicons died in Beast Machines than Prime
-no humans for comedic moments
-turning heroic characters into villains
Beast Machines wins.
Yeah I'll go with Beast Machines as well. I don't remember much funny moments between the Maximals and how shacky their relationships were with little to no trust and always been on the corner against Megatron's forces and for the most part hopeless situations.
BM was too dark and emo for me.
Breakdown and Silas aren't really no name characters, though. Silas rips out Breakdown's eyeball and uses it to taunt the Autobots, forces him to watch his own vivisection, wears his dead body as a suit, then he's tortured for months until he thanks Airachnid for killing him. That's just nasty. The Vehicons were usually just kicked into oblivion by Arcee or mowed down with lasers.
I think the difference between BM's dark scenes and TFP's dark scenes was that BM kept the dark stuff going throughout the whole series and expanded on it, while TFP moved on by the next episode and often didn't reference it again. Or, TFP put it in the background. I still remember getting quite a shock after realizing Soundwave was surrounded by dead human bodies in ep 5. Took me months to notice.
I don't think it can get darker than "Thirst."
I think it can, my dear Aeronnz.
That's true, but more characters in the Beast Saga, or just Beast Machines, perished, I feel.
If the cameos are anything to go by, Prowl and Soundwave were killed, but I understand if you don't think they count.
Tankor died, and Rhinox turned evil, something I thought was far more frightening than just killing a character. Silverbolt's soul was broken. That's horrible. Breaking a hero's spirit...
But I do see your point at least with Silas and Breakdown.
Oh I agree that BM was darker. I was just trying to point out that TFP had plenty of icky stuff happen to the main cast, just most of it didn't impact the plot or it wasn't brought up again, so people tend to forget it was there.
BM is dark, Prime while not a light hearted picnic in the park is edgy.
Thirst was more or less trying to push the censors on what a TV-Y7 show can do.
Beast Machines, no contest.
Whenever I hear the word dark associated with this (or many other) franchise(s) it often conjures up horrible thoughts of 90's bad ass comics, angst ridden emo mtv2 type crap or ancient bland mystical villains like the fallen so not exactly something to aspire to in my opinion. The word and its imagery is even poisoning the comics with dark cybertron and heart of darkness.
As for the comparison sure beast machines had massacres and tragedy but it somehow felt a bit hallow to me as I became a bit numb to its non-stop misery and its predictable make everything happy ending robbed any sense of melancholy and drama from its story. In my opinion less is more with horror and when prime did nasty we noticed and felt it way more because of its lighter moments as contrast.
Prime: Any series that has a human get crushed, then come back as a scarred up guy melded with a dead Cybertronian. THEN he blatantly opens fire on the individual's responsible for bringing him back. While they didn't show it, you knew when you hear the gunfire blast and see the firepower outside that hangar, you knew it was a massacre and you knew it had dark undertones!
Prime just felt more grim. I don't count the fact it had humor as point against it. It gives the audience a breather to prepare for the next tense moment. A show that's just an endless string of "OH GOD NO" over and over again starts to wear on the nerves and desensitive
I'd say both are a close tie but they did make beloved characters turn dark in beast machines.
You're right, and really it wasn't portrayed as dark. Just as the self-righteous Autobots massacring Steve's and Bob's.
I see the discussion regarding him was already had, but jeez. I have doubts Cylas didn't make someone uncomfortable at the least. Clancy's screaming in Thirst also helped seal the deal too.
The Autobots in Prime never seemed to be on the losing side very often; you never once beheld a scenario where each and every Autobot was simultaneously taken offline, leaving a grieving Optimus as the only survivor.
Okay I had forgotten about that. The scene where they're all dragged up to be executed in a line was pretty terrifying. The entire planet besides two people was wiped out by that point.
Easily Beast Machines. Things go from bad, to worse, to REALLY terrible for the Maximals in a hurry in that series.
Beast Machines, hands down. I can't watch the show without getting bored and/or depressed.
They had mushy stuff in BM.
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