Which Classics/Universe/Generations Deluxes Have Aged Well?

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  1. TyrantGalvatron

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    I'm trying to fill out my Combiner Wars and Titans Return collection with a few figures from the past.

    Due to space issues and because I enjoy them, I mostly collect Deluxe-class figures.

    Some of the Classics/Universe/Generations etc. Deluxes (and their Takara counterparts) are PAINFULLY outdated. The seeker mold, the Rodimus /Hot Rod mold, and the Grimlock mold come to mind as EXTREMELY outdated among many others.

    I already have Universe Sunstreaker and Hound. I also have RTS Wreck Gar (with Junkheap). I'm thinking about RTS/United Jazz and Generations Warpath. Do you feel that those have aged well?

    Are there any other Classics/Universe/Generations Deluxes and/or their Takara counterparts that aren't outdated and would fit in nicely with a Combiner Wars/Titans Return collection?
     
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    A lot of Classics molds are pretty outclassed by other things now, but a bunch of Universe and Generations stuff has fared pretty well, I'd say. I have a soft spot for Classics Voyager Prime but he's showing his age, hence why so many people are buying Maketoys Striker Manus or MP-10-V

    Generations Warpath and RTS Jazz are some of the best CHUG molds imo. I'd say they've aged pretty well.

    Other stuff like Universe Hound, Inferno/Grapple, Universe Cyclonus, Thrilling 30 Arcee, Springer, Jetfire are all pretty great.
     
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  3. TyrantGalvatron

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    Awesome. Thanks for the response.
     
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    I would put Generations Trailbreaker ("Trailcutter") and Hoist in there, especially if you are going for a G1 aesthetic. CW Trailbreaker is too skinny, I think, but the Generations/T30 mold captures the more rounded look of the G1 HiLux boys.

    Also want to echo Bottle Of Future with Grapple ("Solar Storm Grappel")!
     
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    Millions Publishing exclusive Stepper and Legends Arcee are works of art.
     
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    I don't know if the 2006 seeker mold is "outdated". It still remains the best version this side of Masterpiece to date. The only way they could make it better is if they upscaled it to Voyager and modified the weapons so that they aren't prone to banging into the wings when they lift their arms.
     
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    IMO the Classics seeker mold is outdated because it's way too short and stubby and sorely lacks the articulation that alot of today's figures have.

    At this point if you need a Classics Starscream and seeker set in your collection, the FOC Deluxe mold is the way to go. With that said, the FOC mold isn't that great either.
     
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    They should just do a new seeker mold bases on the transformation and design of the classics mold.
    Frankly like i said in a very similar recent thread: none of the Universe toys where very good and only Classics Jetfire really stands up to more recent toys.
    Everything pre-thrilling 30's and especially pre-generations is very incompatible with PW3 toys when it comes to style and design.
     
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    Do we own the same Seeker toys? They have just as much articulation as a Combiner Wars figure. They may not have ankle tilts...but few deluxe toys do even today. Liek I said, they could stand to be larger...but that's about it.

    And why would you push the FoC seeker mold onto anyone? Even the Robotmasters Seekers are better looking than those guys.
     
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    RTS Jazz is amazing. One of the best "classics" figures.
    I'd also say universe Cyclonus has held-up fairly well (especially when compared to the CW figure).
    I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I'd say that original Classics Prime still holds up.

    I'm going to have to agree with Wishfulthinking as far as the seekers are concerned. Minus any QC issues. I think Scream is a decent mold. It's not as good as the figures I mentioned above, but it's not as bad as Classics nerf-gun Megatron.
     
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    The Seeker mold
    Universe 2008 Cyclonus/Henkei Strafe/Botcon Ferak
    Generations Thunderwing & Sky Shadow
    RTS Jazz and all his exclusive repaints
    Generations Warpath/TFCC Treadshot/Botcon Strika
    Thrilling 30 Trailbreaker & Hoist
    Thrilling 30 Skids & Crosscut
    Thrilling 30 Waspinator
    Thrilling 30 Arcee
    Thrilling 30 Chromia
     
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    I have to join the chorus and say Jazz. United Jazz is pretty much a perfect toy and I can't imagine Has/Tak ever being able to improve upon it.

    I'd also put Universe Cyclonus up there.
     
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    The Seeker mold hasn't aged poorly, its flaws are just as apparent then as they are now. They have limited arm articulation (universal shoulders and 90 degree elbows is not good), and the design of their legs means that they have limited options for leg poses as well.

    But this isn't new. These complaints existed back in 2006.
     
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    The seeker mold is missing ankle tilts, a waist swivel and I believe a thigh and upper arm swivels. It also has extremely limited head movement as well.

    Put the Classics Seeker mold side by side with any of the Combiner Wars Aerialbots and you'll begin to see just how outdated it is in both bot and jet modes.

    Also, I'm not pushing anything on anybody. Just stating my opinion on what I think is the better mold engineering-wise between the Classics Seeker and FOC Seeker molds. But, that isn't saying much because they're both crap when compared to Deluxes released during the last couple of years.
     
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    They have the same general joint setup, but the blockiness of the seekers (mainly in the torso) but their hip joints are quite limited compared to most modern stuff. The nosecone hanging off the standard style seekers also limits the neck swivel.
     
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    True. Perhaps I worded my original post incorrectly. It's flaws were indeed apparent from the get go. But, they're even more painfully obvious when compared to the extremely well engineered Deluxes we're seeing today.
     
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    I question how much "better" modern seekers would be, though. You might get slightly better articulation...but at what cost to the rest of the toy to keep it on budget?

    Now, I'd be all over better "Datsun" brothers. The weird necks need updating something fierce...and the Combiner Wars versions aren't a true option.

    Also, a better Ironhide and Ratchet.
     
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    The issue with the seeker mould is articulation vs poseability. The articulation is fine, but it's a really chunky shape that makes accessing that articulation difficult.

    Anyway, the Universe Cyclonus mould is still awesome. Love it.
     
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    Universe Cyclonus >>>>>>>>>>> CW Cyclonus

    Also want to mention (especially if they have an IMHO inferior CW equivalent):
    Universe Hound
    Wheeljack/Tracks. Not sure why these guys rarely get love, but they both wear the mold well and make it their own
    Mirage (first ballot Hall-of-Famer)
    Jazz
    Warpath
    Scourge (love the update)
     
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    I think there are kinda two camps - those that are dated, and then those that have had better toys made since their release.

    I think I'd consider the seeker mold a bit dated, but there hasn't been a better version of that character in a classics style at that scale.

    Hot Hod is definitely a dated mold, and I think the upcoming TR one will be a fine upgrade.

    Then you have stuff like Prowl where you might consider the old toy dated, but the new (CW) version isn't necessiarily better (I like it, but it lacks door wings, etc).


    A lot of this also assumes you are talking about classics. Masterpieces generally are better than the classics counterpart, and thus make them seem outdated even if the classics toy is still fine. Like with Sideswipe - I think the Universe toy is still great, but you can't deny that MP Lambor is fantastic.
     
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