Where would certain characters be in IDW if they were still alive (Possible Spoilers)

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  1. nobleboivin

    nobleboivin Well-Known Member

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    First off, this is only a spoiler to those who haven't kept up to date on the comics, as in, up to Dark Cybertron.

    With that said on with the question.



    If Bumblebee, Shockwave, Thrust, Ramjet, Bombshell, Hardhead, and any of our other favorite characters who are now deceased were still alive, where would they be now based on their personalities. Would Hardhead be on a peaceful Cybertron? Would he be with Optimus Prime on earth? The same with Bee and other deceased transformers.


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  2. ZeroiaSD

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    I think Hardhead would be with Optimus- and Arcee. He's a fighter. If he wasn't there, he'd be maybe with Ironhide. Keep in mind he lived to see peaceful Cybertron, he was just off keeping Jhiaxus prisoner.

    Thrust and Ramjet I think would be on Cybertron, trying to fit in but not necessarily doing the best job of it. No, scratch that, Ramjet probably would get roped in by Galvatron, maybe die under him, but assuming not end up in a jail cell. Thrust would possibly be chafing under the new status quo, but then again I could see him adapting and finding a new job.

    Bombshell... hm, though one, because he's a pretty nasty customer but not such a big hitter that he has to die... I could see him falling into working for Starscream.

    Bumblebee, well, that one's *really* hard to answer because it's not just what he'd be, but what Cybertron would be if he was around. When would Starscream let him back in? Would he go off on his own and adventure- oh, hm, strikes me him joining the Lost Light to get away from it all and do something productive is a real possibility.

    Ditto Shockwave- if he wasn't dead, then we likely wouldn't have Autobot Megatron. If he never did the Dark Cybertron thing at all... then I image at one point he'd simply vanish, and go to working a long-term plan somewhere else.


    If Black Shadow was alive, he may come back to Cybertron and set up a casino or really live it up somewhere with his piles of money. I could see Decepticons and similar try and get him into schemes due to him being strong and him going, "No, see, I'm rich."
     
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    If doubledealer was still around he would have been sabotaging Rodimus's quest on the lost light posing under a new identity and almost certainly had something to do with the coupe.
     
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  4. nobleboivin

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    thanks guys :) 
     
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    Off topic, but this made me realize that Dirge, the Con whose whole thing is dying a lot, is the only one of the three Coneheads that's still alive in IDW.
     
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    I could see Bumblebee either staying on Cybertron and helping Windblade keep an eye on Starscream, or joining the Lost Light to watch over Megatron. I really find it sad that Bumblebee died before he and Megatron could develop more of a friendship, and aside from favorite character bias, that's the only thing that particularly bothers me about killing him off when they did.

    I think Ramjet and Thrust would join up with Galvatron, only to die or be captured later under his command.

    Hardhead would definitely stick with Prime and Arcee. Like ZeroiaSD said, he's a fighter, so he's going to go where people need fighters.

    Shockwave, after regaining his memories, I think might either go into a self-imposed exile or join the crew of the Lost Light. I'd definitely prefer the latter, as it would lead to some really neat character interaction between him and Megatron.

    Bombshell would probably be another lackey for Starscream, perhaps even manipulating Starscream or struggling for the position of chief lackey with Rattrap.

    Trailcutter would have been abandoned on Necroworld with Rodimus, Megatron, and the others. He'd probably make Megatron's plan a lot easier.

    Ravage would be with Megatron doing whatever it is they're doing in Transformers: Lost Light.

    So would Skids.

    Assuming they didn't slaughter the Lost Lighters, the D.J.D. would be angry, humiliated, and filled with even more vengeance towards them, and probably kill the deserters to vent their frustrations.

    Pipes could either be one of the deserters, or one of the deserted. Either that, or he'd decide to stay on Cybertron, after having his fill of the universe.

    If Rewind 1 was still alive... then Rewind would have the ability to be with both of his husbands. One could be with Chromedome, and one could be with Dominus Ambus once they found him. I definitely could see them fighting over Chromedome at first and struggling to deal with which 'bot they love more.

    Superion would continue to be on Earth with Optimus Prime and do awesome Superion things.

    Metalhawk would keep a watchful eye on Starscream, no longer as naive as he once was.

    Jhiaxus would lurk in the wilderness.

    Nova Prime would sulk in the Dead Universe and contemplate his next evil plan.

    Galvatron would continue to be a threat to Earth.

    Scourge (assuming he is dead, he kinda just vanished) might join Cyclonus on the Lost Light.

    Hubcap would go to jail.

    Roadbuster would probably go off with Impactor and Mayhem.

    Ironfist would return to Cybertron and probably find his way on board the Lost Light.

    So would Pyro.

    Same with Rotorstorm.

    I dunno about Skyquake or Snare.

    I like ZeroiSD's theory for Black Shadow and Gregles' theory for Doubledealer.
     
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    I would have thought Doubledealer would be teamed up with Lockdown hunting down Titans personaly...
     
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    Bumblebee and Metalhawk might have been able to keep Starscream in check. Between Windblade, Optimus, Ironhide, Bumblebee, and Metalhawk, Starscreams schemes might have been fruitless.

    Scrapper would be part of Devastator.

    Shockwave might have actually been the best choice to replace Starscream, of course that was done in Dreamwave's War and Peace.

    It would have been nice to see Tyrest as something other than a lunatic, and Dai Atlas reintegrate with the Circle of Light into Cybertron. And Straxus and Jhiaxus might have actually been something to worry about. Assuming Heretech is off the board, that might have made and interesting run in between he and the other Warriors Elite.

    And it'd be nice to see the real Ultra Magnus kick the stuffing out of Minimus. Or Delta Magnus helping Prime lead, maybe.
     
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    Tyrest isn't dead, and why would Magnus beat up Minimus?
     
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    I've been wondering wether one day we might meet the original Ultra Magnus.
    "Surprise, i'm not dead after all! Hey why is that little dude impersonating me?"
    Wouldnt put it past Roberts.
     
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  11. ZeroiaSD

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    If Dark Cybertron didn't happen, he'd probably be stuck there pretty indefinitely, yea.

    If it did in some respect, then the Dead Universe would be gone and... it's hard to picture what he'd do next. Maybe hook up with Onyx or Sentinel or something?


    Hm, Sentinel Prime, if he was alive... would be at the bottom of a large hole.


    Yea, if Magnus was alive and known, Minimus would've never become Magnus. If he was alive and lost somewhere, he'd probably be, "Thanks for carrying on the fight." I mean, imagine you wake up and you discover not one but a *succession* of your fans have made you an icon of law *throughout the universe* in your absence. Honestly it may feel pretty intimidating!

    It helps that Minimus is only being Magnus part-time now. Heck, his super armor is Maximus Ambus, not Maximus Magnus.


    Hm, heh, if we're going this route, how about a full Magnus reunion? Datum, Blockus, Ramp, Suture. I imagine Datum's the hothead of the group ^^

    Oh, and as to where they'd be- probably in Necrobot pods, being woken up.
     
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    We've seen the real Ultra Magnus in IDW only very briefly. The rest of the time, he's been someone else. I wonder if he would be okay with all the stuff the other pretenders chose to do in his name, particularly the rather offsetting reputation Minimus built. I know that if someone did stuff pretending to be me, I'd have pretty peeved.

    Also, given that Magnus saw the Decepticon cause starting, and would see everything that went wrong because of it, and now Minimus is colluding with Megatron, who else better than the upholder of Cybertronian law to give Minimus the well-deserved thrashing. Because let's be honest; Minimus didn't become Magnus because he loved the law, but rather because he wanted power.

    You're right on Tyrest. Just thought it was; my error.
     
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    I wish they would have used some of these ideas. That would be awesome.

    Thinking about it, Straxus I could see either trying to be a Decepticon or at least trying to take over. Ratbat, for some reason, I could see him on Cybertron or with Soundwave.

    Not sure if Gigatron is dead or not but I could either see him either trying to make his own army or bing drinking Energon on Cybertron for some reason.
     
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    Turmoil would've joined up with Galvatron. After that who knows
     
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    Thumbs uped except the last part. I like Minimus, and Ultra Magnus doesn't strike me as the type to beat someone up for something petty.
    When was this said, or even implied?
     
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    In issue 44.

    While Rewind-2 and Minimus are talking about Dominus' fate, the latter talks a lot about how much he loved Dominus, but also how much he envied him and how badly he (Minimus) longed to create a brand new identity for himself. Minimus says he wanted SO badly to step out of Dominus' long shadow and be someone of importance, and someone respected, as Dominus had been before he disappeared.

    Ergo, when Tyrest offers the likeness of a dead hero, Minimus takes it... and all the power and prestige that comes with it. He goes from being a nobody to being inside the inner circle overnight (or at least to being way up the food chain. We rarely see Optimus interact with Minimus or any of the other Magni the friendly, brotherly way we saw between OP and the original UM, so it's plausible OP didn't trust the loadbearers like he did Magnus. I doubt he didn't at least know, if Rachet and Prowl knew).

    It may be a darker reading, but I put the deception of Minimus and Tyrest as one of the worst decisions of the Autobots, right up there with sparing Megatron and Starscream and Shockwave and Soundwave and Ratbat after DoOP. Not only does it infect the highest levels of command, the purpose of the ruse is wrong. I get a great side effect was saving Autobot moral from seeing one of their best go down during a time in the war it couldn't be worse, but that's not why Tyrest did it. Tyrest didn't care all about that much about the war (we see him with the Autobrand at the Aequitas trial, but it's the only time we see him affiliated with the Autobots, and only then because they are enforcing his own law). He wanted a "Duly Appointed Enforcer of the Tyrest Accord." In short, Tyrest wanted his own Judge Dredd, which really how Minimus is acting when we see him early in IDW... "Swindle/Grimlock/Shockwave/Scorponok, I. Am. THE LAW!!!!!!" Seemingly immortal, blindly dedicated to THE LAW, doesn't give much of hoot about anyone outside the narrow interpretation of the law.

    Actions matter, but so do the intentions behind those actions. In this case, the intent wasn't what I'd call a good one.

    Also, a lot like Megatron's sentence bothered so few, it bothers no one that Autobot High Command has been lying to the rank and file for centuries. It's never addressed. That type of deception would have severe repercussions throughout the collective Autobot psyche. "You lied to us for how long? And now you want us to follow you? Yeah, good luck with that."

    So, all that's why I think Minimus deserves a good thrashing. That he's heralded as one of the good guys was a very hard thing for me to swallow in MtMtE.
     
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    Dude, if the Autobots had executed any of the Decepticons during or after Death of Optimus Prime, the neutrals would turn against them, possibly to the point of violence (and the Autobots definitely don't want to fight innocent civilians), and it would certain rile the Decepticons up to the point of careless violence. It was the best choice of all bad choices. They have the moral high ground and civilians who dislike them, but aren't going to risk directly attacking an Autobot. Look at how they react when Prowl starts abusing his authority.

    I suppose Minimus' reasons for taking up the title may have been a bit self-centered, at least initially, but if we're going to look at how he's exercised the title, he's acted as a fair, impartial lawman. In the Ongoing (long before we knew about Minimus), he investigated the reasons behind Ironhide's death and Optimus' desertion fairly and impartially, and only attempted to use force when Swindle - a dangerous criminal - was sighted. I honestly haven't seen much of the Ongoing or the Furman era, so I'll confess I'm working with a limited knowledge, but he still acts professional and impartial during Megatron's trial, even when no one would blame him for abusing his position of power. In times of crisis, he acts as a skilled fighter and a competent leader, devising a successful plan to transport Metroplex to Cybertron. He also calls Rodimus out when Rodimus acts recklessly and endangers the lives of the crew. Minimus' only major shortcoming is he is too reliant on laws and rules, and when there's no danger or crisis, he finds himself wanting to enforce rules and wanting to be an active officer. Going by his intentions as of the present, Minimus Ambus wants to be a law-enforcing hero all the time, and more than that, he also wants to be worthy of the name he's taken. And, according to Ratchet (who was said to have known the original Ultra Magnus) in the prose story following Remain In Light, Minimus is a worthy successor to the original Ultra Magnus, and tells him this when he feels openly insecure about taking the name "Ultra Magnus".
     
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    I foresee the opposite problem- the heirs are trying to be an idealized version of Ultra Magnus, while he's just a person.
     
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    I have a terrible feeling this is going to happen in Lost Light. Rewind is going to discover his old love is still alive (though altered) and want to stay, leaving Chromedome alive.

    And I really really really want Skids to come back. :( 
     
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    Ramjet would probably still be plotting something. Thrust would probably be a background generic. Black Shadow would probably be out in space doing whatever Sixshot's doing. Bombshell I can see siding with Galvatron, and Hardhead would probably stay on Cybertron to take a break from all the shit he's been through.