What would you have changed in Prime if you were in charge?

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  1. kaijuguy19

    kaijuguy19 Keyblade Wielder

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    If you were in charge of doing the story of Transformers Prime from the beginning what things from the show that you would change and what would you keep?



    I'd replace Bumblebee with Smokescreen. I mean Smokescreen's pretty much the character Bumblebee should've been from the start. I like Bumblebee but he sadly doesn't serve any purpose. I'd keep Bee though as a character that's well known and pop up every now and then like how he does it in Rescue Bots. Also that it can actually bring some interesting dynamics to Raf as it can help slow down Smokescreen's behaviour with this new responsiblity. Or just give Bumblebee more screentime instead.

    Have Bulkhead crippled after the Toxen attack so he can stay at the base and learn about his gift of space bridge tech.

    Have two CGI animation studios work on the show. I still think CGI's a good route to go with the show though I think it needed some help. And after eharing about another studio helping the one that's working now I think if it did have two or more from the begnining it would've made a difference.

    Have Optimus order Arcee and Bumblebee to go after Airachnid in Crossfire instead of how it really happened in the episode.

    Have Beast Hunters be the theme for Season 4 so that way we can have room to let the MECH and Breakdown story lines as well as Dreadwing's be finished first.

    Have the Orion Pax arc last at least five to 6 episodes.

    Reveal more of Cliffjumper through flashbacks.
     
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    Make season 2 not suck
     
  3. Cyber-Scream

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    This. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    The faces. They're my only gripe. Love it otherwise.
     
  5. Honorbound

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    Oh, Lord, where do I begin?

    First off, Optimus gets a complete rewrite. His current incarnation of a naive, speech-making, merciful-to-utterly-worthless-assholes bore is gone. Instead, he's a scarred battle-hardened warrior who's seen way too much and has suffered during this war. He's not stoic, he's grim, stern, and he has no patience for stupidity or wrongdoing, least of all from himself. Goal-wise, he wants to kill Megatron and all his followers to make sure that no Decepticon ever threatens another innocent. Beyond that, he's not sure, which bothers him to no end - he secretly believes that the war will never end. The other Autobots want to go back to New Cybertron* once it's over, but in Optimus's mind, there's no place for him there. He's not close with the other Autobots, but it's more a man trying to keep people at a distance to avoid pain when they fall in combat. He mourns the loss of his friends, his family, and his home with all his heart, and he hates the 'Cons with an undying fury for destroying it all. All of this is concealed behind a gruff mask - can't have the troops demoralized. At first, the audience is the only one who gets to see the real Optimus, but as he gets to know the kids and June and opens up to them, cracks start forming in his grim exterior, and he allows himself to feel something other than sorrow and rage for the first time in a long damned time. When it comes to combat, the Optimus from Darkness Rising Part 4 (aka the zombie-killing death machine that got compared to RotF Optimus) is back.

    Megatron gets a reworking as well - he's salveagable, but his tendency to spare Starscream has got to go. Also, Megatron needs a plan, an overall objective. Also, Aligned continuity's caste system that he rebeled agains? A work of rhetorical fiction on Megatron's part, intended to garner followers for his takeover. Megatron started as a gladiator in illegal arenas, much like Fight Club, but he dreamed of ruling his own kingdom, and he set out to do just that, no matter the consequences. When Cybertron fell, Megatron blamed it on the Autobots, creating a convenient scapegoat for his followers so that they wouldn't have to shine a mirror in their souls and find out who was really responsible for Cybertron's destruction. On Earth, Megatron's objective is to establish a new kingdom, a brutal, Dark Energon-infested hellhole where only the strong survive and where the weak and disloyal perish and rise up as the undead, all utterly loyal to Megatron. And once he has this hellscape of a kingdom, he plans to expand, consuming New Cybertron and any other civilization that he doesn't exterminate.

    Arcee gets her "My Partners" schtick dialed down. I remember an Autovolt post that recast her as being afraid of Airachnid and having to find the strength to get past that fear to fight her former tormentor. Do that and bring back the old Arcee, and she'd be universally loved again.

    Speaking of Airachnid, she goes back to her huntress roots. While she might be interested in recapturing Arcee and finishing what she started, Airachnid's more interested in rebuilding her collection of alien trophies, starting with humanity. She also wants nothing to do with the Decepticons - Megatron scares even her.

    Bumblebee gets a reversal of his muteness - he won't shut up. He's like G1 Bluestreak in that he chats to fill up the silence and forget about his past trauma. He used to be mute, thanks to Megatron, and it was hell for him. When he got a new voice box, he never stopped talking.

    The kids are still important, but not as much to the other Autobots - the Autobot troops still the kids' friends and protectors, but Jack, Miko, and Raf eventually become Optimus's surrogate children, the sons and (rebellious, headache-inducing, desperately in need of guidance) daughter he never had.

    Bulkhead isn't a Wrecker - he's a Spacebridge technician who ended up on the front lines, and he's a bit of an excitable nerd. Thing TFA Bulkhead's knowledge, TFP Bulkhead's demeanor, and IDW Ironfist's fanboyish love of the Wreckers.

    Skyquake gets more to do in Season One before his death, and it's revealed that he's a cold-hearted, fanatically loyal enforcer - the only line that he won't cross is the one Megatron tells him not to. The Battle of Technar in this series is the site of a massive refugee slaughter led by Skyquake in order to draw out Optimus Prime.

    Meanwhile, Dreadwing's honor and loyalty would be revealed to be utter hypocrisy - he talks a good game about honor, but he's absolutely loyal to his cold-blooded murderer of a brother and the savage that gives him orders. His actions and allegiances prove just how hollow his words about honor really ring. He would find himself at a crossroads, forced to choose between lying to himself as he's been doing all this time, or finally acknowledging the truth about his brother and his master and acting accordingly.

    * New Cybertron: a colony established by the refugees from the Great War, sort of like the society set up in RID, only it has a decent, constitutional republic for a government. They're still building, but it's a nice place to live. Just about all the Autobots have people back there: Arcee has her two younger sisters, Flareup and Moonracer, and she can't wait to see them again in person. Ratchet has numerous job opportunities waiting for him at the various hospitals, and he has a number of apprentices he would like to catch up with. Bulkhead has a few war buddies he'd like to see again. And Bumblebee would like to get into racing someday. Optimus, on the other hand, doesn't think that he'll ever be able to settle down and build a new life.

    Edit: I'd also remake Optimus's design to be like the one on that pop-up book, the one with the wheels at his shoulder connections, that's reminiscent of his Binder of Revelation design. It's not as proportionately screwy as the TFP design, an it doesn't have wonky hands, a waspish waist, and swinging hips.
     
  6. Jetbolt

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    Optimus would be the big one for me. I can't put into words how much I hate a perfect Optimus and Autobots treats almost god like. I would start clean with this version.

    I would had Optimus Prime not being perfect and not highly respected either. I would show that many Autobots still see the fallen Zeta Prime as the true Prime. Even go to the point that Megatron still calls him Orion Pax. Unlike the normal TFP Optimus, my version would be acting more like Beast Wars Optimus Primal.

    I'll think of some more stuff to add later on.
     
  7. Honorbound

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    That would be pretty good - it would also explain why there aren't a whole lot of people following Optimus.

    As a continuation of my earlier post, I'd replace Unicron with the Fallen, have a better lead-up to the Fallen's appearance throughout Season 1 (though I don't have ideas off the top of my head), and have Optimus's memory loss be a desperate ast-minute ploy by the Fallen, wiping away most of Optimus's knowledge, experience, and fighting ability in the hope that Megatron would have the opportunity to kill him. Op wouldn't get his memory back until the middle of Season 2, after things have gone so bad that they need the old Optimus back, forcing Optimus (not Orion Pax, just Optimus) to become the hardened, joyless man he was.

    I'd also scrap the Season 2 relic hunt, maybe narrowing it down to the four keys and the Omega Lock, and forcing Optimus to destroy the lock because his team got their asses kicked, and Megatron had fired the Lock at Earth to make Optimus watch as it wiped out humanity. Also, Smokescreen would have been a Decepticon double agent, working for Megatron (the Decepticons would have delayed the destruction of the base until the Autobots had gathered the keys, doing the hard work for the Decepticons). Optimus's near-destruction would remain, but (and this is Season 3 stuff here) the Decepticons would drag him aboard for physical and psychological torture - Knockout breaking him down physically and rebuilding him, mental assaults thanks to the cortical psychic patch (being forced to relive horrible memories for the Decepticons' amusement), and being force to watch as Megatron destroys city after city in open slaughter. Think the DotM Chicago attack, only being forced to watch it over and over again.
     
  8. SPLIT LIP

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    Give it a fucking purpose. Have a deffinite beginning, middle, and end intertwined. Have there be a point to all the madness, not just changing the rules every season.

    I'd also make sure the characters were more fleshed out and unique. Each has an actual story with developement to it and proper resolution when the time comes. No random hi-and-dies, no two-dimensional time wasters biting the dust after half a season.
     
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    That too.
     
  10. firehawc_69

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    No chin thumbs for Optimus.
     
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    Pretty Much this, and Scrap Season 2 and start a new.

    Also don't give Optimus the personality of a Potato please. XD Give him flaws and you know...not so dull.

    No random 1 Episode plots where theres a random problem that gets fixed within that same episode.

    Give the Characters a major change, no Revenge Driven Arcee, I like the idea of a Space Bridge Genius Bulkhead, and stop making BumbleBee R2 B2 Just becuase the movies did it doesn't meen its a great idea.
     
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    I preferred the phrase "epic cardboard" myself, in regards to TFP Optimus.

    I'm glad you like the Spacebridge Genius Bulkhead too - it adds a little depth to him, instead of making him generic bruiser #2153.
     
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  14. Saitou

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    So...essentially you want the IDW Transformers world to be adapted into a cartoon show.
     
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    Not particularly - they treated the caste system as a reality instead of a fiction crafted by Megatron, and life on Cybertron before the war was crappy overall. The tragedy of Cybertron's destruction rings hollow when you can honestly say that it was a tyrannical hellhole.

    Also, we had Shane McCarthy & Mike Costa's runs, along with some of Simon Furman's nonsense. Seriously, Hunter O'Nion, Arcee, and dozens of would-be female transformers got shafted. Also, for a while, IDW Optimus was a putz (until James Roberts got his hands on him, apparently).

    Granted, IDW has some good things going for it, especially recently from what I've heard, but it's a series where you mind it for ideas and move on (or steal James Roberts and put him to work on a TV series).
     
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    - Give Bumblebee a voice. I hate the R2D2 knock off thing;
    - Make Unicron a robotic planet just like in G1 and not something in the Earth's core;
    - Make Miko a more mature character in terms of personality and appearance, say a hot 18 year old;
    - Not kill off Skyquake and Dreadwing; Zombies/Terrorcons do not count;
    - Kill off Starscream instead of Dreadwing;
    - Change Raf's appearance, maybe a different frame for his glasses, they make him look like a young version of the man from "Up".
     
  17. KaguyaHouraisan

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    1.Remove bumblebee
    2.Add a character that turns into a train
    3.Add combiners
    4.I wouldn't kill off characters too fast (for example skyquake and cliffjumper)
     
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    Just one thing.

    Hand it off to Marty Isenberg.
     
  19. Spin-Out

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    Make Wheeljack a crackpot inventor instead of an unlikeable Wolverine knockoff.
     
  20. Karhukjnsi

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    No one dies in the first five parter, sans faceless troops. THEN kill an Autobot mid-season, not necessarily due to something big, even an ambush would do. That will gut-wrench people. Starscream isn't as cowardly, I'm not saying being open and insubordinate to Megatron, but when threatened to be punched, he instead gets pissed and takes on his opponent (via Animated Screamer). I'm keeping Silentwave and R2-B2. Megatron needs more religious fanaticism throughout the show.

    Wheeljack can stay as a Wrecker, keep the swords and grenades and lone wolf, just have him do stuff like helping Ratchet with the Groundbridge or something. I'd mention Breakdown being in a former unit with a dick commander (Motormaster, not necessarily name drop, just do what he did about being "intrigued" by Airachnid). Hardshell lives a little bit longer (will have to die), but go into some of his backstory and how the other similar Insecticons of the hive are "cloned" from him (ala FoC explanation). CyLAS doesn't burn his bridge with MECH, but instead spends some episodes learning his new body, before deciding to try to ally MECH with the Decepticons.

    Show a fight between Breakdown and Airachnid, leading to the former's demise. Talk about how the Nemesis is Trypticon. Talk about how Optimus used to have a big crew, a ship, but got disbanded due to reasons. Wheeljack shows flashbacks of the Wreckers. Some of the Autobots chat about what cities they're originally from (Iacon, Altihex, etc). More discussion on the Thirteen, possibly different religions (Xal, the Chronarchitect).

    I'll think of more later.

    EDIT: Permanently cripple Bulkhead after Hardshell.