what the hell did they do to Optimus? (SPOILERS)

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  1. starscream90

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    This isn't the typical Optimus is too violent or brutal complaint usually found within the community we're all familiar with so rest easy folks. Movie Prime never bothered me until this atrocious, cartoon-like, ending we were given with him flying away into space, all in the name of keeping the device safe from deceptions or anything threatening to use it on Earth;Not to mention just how reckless that was.Not only did he leave the autobots leaderless, knowing the last time he did this they were disorganized and fought each other for control for the title of leader, he doesn't even give it time to think it out. He just flys out and says see ya! Without thinking hey maybe I should make sure the guy I knew and fought for centuries died in the battle and didn't escape like he did in Egypt or they could create a short alliance with humans and blast it into space or even consider that maybe, if he leaves, the autobots might just retaliate again. Are we suppose to believe the battle or the short words he gave just before he left about protecting the humans was able to make them change so they can work as a team this time? Or what about the humans authoritative figures? How does he know they won't exile them once again or hold them accountable like they did after Chicago? This would be acceptable if it was the same Optimus we met in the beginning of the movie. The Optimus we meet in the end however is different. We see him from abandoning the humans to their fate, to willing to sacrificing himself so that a human could live, something he would have never done before. Optimus was a reckless and incompetent leader this time. This type of leadership was fine and dandy when he was the hopeless and broken self he was in the beginning but this type of irresponsible actions now? When his belief in humankind was enstilled once again and became the leader he was before? The Optimus we all know would never do this! The way they wrote Optimus this time around is the biggest problem I have with the movie. It's possible this is the worst iteration of Prime I've seen.
     
  2. Dotmshockwave

    Dotmshockwave Senior Robotic Citizen

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    Atually he did do that before when he died for sam in the forrest battle in rotf, but anyway i see what ur saying
     
  3. Liege Prime

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    Prime was ready to leave the humans almost this entire movie due to their cruelty towards his kind, but he needed to stop Lockdown first.

    Anyways, the ending was weird. I understand him wanting to set out to find these so called creators and keep the seed safe, but why just fly away moments after that battle? Getting some affairs straightened and taking an actual ship would have made a lot more sense.
     
  4. starscream90

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    I know but I meant in this movie since he wasn't the same Optimus he was in ROTF
     
  5. starscream90

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    Exactly it didn't make any sense
     
  6. Cynik

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    Well what ship? The Xantium blew up in DOTM and the small ship the Autobots robbed from Lockdown basically got destroyed.
     
  7. JohnRedcorn

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    Optimus Prime = Batman at the end of Dark Knight. He knows he has target on his back and he would further endanger the people around him if continues to be around them.
     
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    I agree that the ending was very abrupt, something that's been common in the past couple of films. There's a brutal kill of the main bad and suddenly wooosh the end, with very little focus on fallout. It's something I think could use some improvement, so I'm with you there.

    And I actually agree with your points. The public still fears Transformers and the propaganda against them is still everywhere. There was no solid reason to believe that they could happily rejoin the human military again and come out of hiding.

    But one thing you left out was that Optimus now knows the Creators have a price on his head. And knowing nothing about them, for all he knows they could have been monitoring the whole thing and are prepared to unleash another strike towards Earth to get him once Lockdown failed.

    Also keep in mind that it could have been weeks, months, or years that the Autobots were separated between DOTM and this film, with Optimus hiding alone. And with him only meeting back up with the others for a day, maybe it's not as hard to believe him leaving again afterwards, considering the looming threat of the Creators.

    Striking out on his own probably won't be very effective though, so I see him joining up with someone before he would go to far. Maybe he'll leave the seed (the immediate issue) somewhere in space where only he'd know, and contact the others from space.
     
  9. CodeXCDM

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    Yep... his contempt for the humans... and his apparently newfound flight shown only at the last minute... meant that he could've shaved A HALF HOUR from the film by zipping towards Yager and Co... grab the Seed... then poof, fly off on his own... or yea, steal a ship.
     
  10. Mr. Chaos

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    Optimus has a target on his back. Notice that EVERYTHING, every death... was because the Creators want Optimus. Not any Autobot... just him. Ratchet, Dino, Sideswipe, Leadfoot, Topspin, Roadbuster... all dead because of Optimus. He fears not just for the humans but for his autobot brothers... so he is going to go deal with the Creators so they are not harmed being around him.
     
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    Remember what Lockdown said?

    "You we're built, and they want YOU back"

    Meaning that he was their target not the rest of the Autobots or the Humans and he knew the longer he stayed there, he'd endanger them all.
     
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    So why didnt he just stay with Lockdown when he was captured and go to the creators, oh wait because Galvatron was gonna blow the seed up in Honk Kong, but that brings up the point about how Optimus didnt care for the humans at that point, UHHHH SO MANY PLOT HOLES!!!!1
     
  13. Ring3r

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    Yeah that would have worked really well with all of Lockdown's fighter-ships in the air, Lockdown's personal shuttle, and Lockdown's giant freaking spaceship.
     
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    Either be tortured and handed over as a trophy/slave to the Creators by Lockdown, or kill Lockdown and find them on your own terms.

    I'd go for the latter.
     
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    He's a marked man and just went through an event where Lockedown caused a major incident in Chicago and then tore apart Hong Kong just to get it. Autobots and humans died, because he has a price on his head.

    Prime is doing the only reasonable thing, which is not being a danger to other people around him. If he were to stay on Earth, more would follow Lockedown.

    This "marked man on the run" is a very old trop used in countless forms of fiction. I'm not sure why Prime making the only choice he could is somehow odd. What is he supposed to do? Fortify himself on Earth? He'd be basically using it as a shield. The creators or whoever will tear apart more cities to get him, clearly.
     
  16. Rusty24

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    I agree that this movie lacks a falling action. I think it would have been nice to see some quick scenes of the Yeager family and Shane back in Texas as well as some reports about people in KSI being put on trial. Then, maybe they could give a brief update of the public's opinion on Transformers.

    Also, I wonder what would happen if they sent the seed to the sun. Would it change the sun or would it be completely destroyed?
     
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    The ending was hilarious. Him flying towards the camera reminded me of the shot from MMPR The Movie when the Megazord flies off into space. It's so stupid and ridiculous.
     
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    There weren't any plot holes. Do you need everything given to you on a platter?

    Prime was through with humanity as a whole...but still conflicted because here's this human family who's helped him for no reason. And Cade's daughter was on the ship. Heaven forbid that Optimus be given a character arc and internal conflict right? Cuz that'd just be horrible.

    And he continues to learn more about what's going on - realizing that this human element that was killing his friends had gone rogue. Meeting the scientist who invented the tech, realizing that scientist really didn't know that he wasn't melting down Decepticons....etc.

    Also....do you really need to ask why he didn't stay with Lockdown after he was captured? After he'd just watched the footage of Lockdown delivering the killing shots on multiple Autobots. As far as we see in the movie, LOCKDOWN is the one who had been killing all the autobots.
     
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    You saw optimus, he had been nearly killed, plus he might have even seen one or two autobots destroyed before he went into hiding
     
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