What is Superman?

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  1. Gretnablue

    Gretnablue Well-Known Member

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    What do you feel Superman is?

    Personally, I've always liked the version of Superman that represents immigrants and immigration rather than the, "truth, justice and the American way" and a Jesus analogy (which seems a bit insulting to the original creators who were Jewish immigrants).

    The thing I never understood is why the American way instead of freedom. If he in this interpretation is supposed to be for everyone, why be unnecessarily nationalistic? Especially when it implies that anyone who disagrees with the, "the American Way" is a bad guy. Also because I’ve heard this before, don't say it's because it sounds better because that's stupid.

    Edited: the Goku bit was just a joke.
     
  2. smkspy

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    How many Superman comics have you actually read?

    Cause all that reads like someone who has gotten the majority of his information from a wikipedia for an English report.


    He's an American character, written for an American audience, and his uniform is practically the American flag. It's a little self-explanatory. Never the less, once you reach the 70's, "truth, justice, and the American way" becomes just another tagline to the character like "Able to leap tall building in a single bound."

    No it doesn't, and if that's your view of American values, that's a bit fucky. "The American way" is simply meant to invoke our nation's highest values.

    WTF?

    YAWN, good job at invalidating your own thread.
     
  3. Paladin

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    Space Jesus.
     
  5. Gretnablue

    Gretnablue Well-Known Member

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    Wow insult me, I thought we were going to get 10 posts in before that happened. Also, about 120.
     
  6. smkspy

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    Not an insult, just you're painting with some massive strokes there and that's the impression you've left.
     
  7. ILoveDinobot

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    Well, he's not a bird or a plane.

    How the hell is he a Jesus analogy? Because he fought corruption? I guess Luthor is corrupt.

    But, maybe Superman was based off Military soldiers, MLK Jr(yes I knwo that was after Supes was made) or Abraham Lincoln. There are plenty of good people in the world, too early to think.
     
  8. Gretnablue

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    Who said anything being against wholesome and decent? Also I was saying that making a character who was made by two Jewish immigrants into a Jesus analogy was a bit insulting.

    Can we stop nip-picking me and start discussing and talking about the rest of us think what Superman is?
     
  9. E. C. R. Former

    E. C. R. Former Is probably insane...

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    The Jesus analogy is indirect. Being Jewish, when Siegel and Shuster created Superman, they incorporated a lot of messianic themes into his character. Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah, hence the Jesus analogy. The analogy isn't necessarily on Jesus per say but is rather consistent with the overall themes of the Messiah.

    The "American Way" is more than about just freedom. Its about the concept of freedom, equality, the pursuit of happiness, and the American dream - the belief that you can pursue whatever it is you dream of and that nothing should hinder you in that pursuit. It entails a lot more than just Freedom.

    Also, keep in mind that Superman was created in 1937, just before World War II, and is the creation of two Jewish immigrants living in the freedom of America while their European counterparts were under the oppressive rule of one Adolf Hitler especially but also under a history of European oppression.

    *facepalm* I love DBZ and I love Goku but he and Superman represent completely different things. There really should not be any sort of comparison between them. In a nutshell Goku is about tackling and surpassing indomitable challenges. Superman is about the challenges that someone who is an outsider faces and overcomes to become an incredible force of good. Beyond the fact that they're ultimate heroes, they should not be compared beyond a superficial level.
     
  10. Paladin

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    did you SEE "Man of Steel?"
     
  11. ILoveDinobot

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    Yes.... Still not understanding
     
  12. Paladin

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    There's at least one scene in the film (where Superman falls from the spaceship, ie "in the heavens" with his arms in the traditional cross pose) that lots of people view as Jesus symbolism- literally a savior descending to Earth to rescue us all.

    And also tons of fake penises but thats another story.
     
  13. ILoveDinobot

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    penis? :drool:  I had no idea the story of Jesus had a lot of penis. I totally need to read this story. What book is he from again?
     
  14. E. C. R. Former

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    *ugh* You should probably drop this angle of the topic before it starts violating forum rules. And ILoveDinobot, are you being sarcastic or serious? Because while I'm ninety percent certain that you're being sarcastic, if you're being serious I'm willing to discuss it over PM.
     
  15. ABH1979

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    Or Space Moses, with the whole rocketship/basket down the nile.
     
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    His father sent him down to us. He has amazing powers and can inspire millions.

    That's all people need, honestly.

    And yes. Man of Steel did have "I AM JESUS" sort of stuff

    And that, yes.

    As for me...

    Superman is one of the greatest heroes in comicbook history.

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    THIS is Superman, to me. A guy with amazing power, and an even more amazing heart.
     
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    And that is a Hero right there... Thats who Superman was meant to be.
     
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    In a very general sense, Superman is meant to embody the "best" in us, an idealized version of our own dreams for power, tempered with a truly noble and compassionate heart.

    Over the years, he's been used to represent various aspects, religious and secular, in the american psyche, and he's at his best when he's used as this symbolic figure of the unstoppable power of the positive parts of ourselves. If you asked ten different people what part of Superman's character resonated with them the most, you might get ten different answers, and that's one of the biggest reasons the character has endured so well: he's a fairly blank slate for us to aspire towards.

    It's hard to watch the first Donner Superman film and not see him as anything BUT a Christlike figure.
     
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    Have you heard of self-actualization? There are moments in your life when 
you are the ultimate you, and you know it. Just for a second, you are 
everything you could be.

    Superman is like that all the time.