What if Megatron never got resurrected in ROTF???

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  1. Ricky Ham

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    I'm curious to know if this would have any impact on AOE/TLK because when he got dumped in the laurentian abyss; there was no way for his mind to still live underwater. It seems as though bay and the writers wanted megatron to stay dead but someone at paramount forced them to bring him back.

    Would quintessa have to find another pawn to help find the talisman?
     
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    Lockdown, perhaps?
     
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    Since the Bayverse went on for 5 movies, I doubt Megatron would have stayed dead the entire time. He would have been brought back in one movie or another.
     
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    Megatron's role in Quintessa's plan was little more than hired muscle, and as such, any capable individual could have filled that role. Come to think of it, Nemesis Prime and Megatron played more or less the same part in the mad goddess' plan, so really, from her standpoint, she didn't need Megatron at all.
     
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    Well I don't think the idea that his mind could still live was canon back then. It was a plot device for AoE.
     
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    We saw Frenzy was able to still work as just a head in 07. Maybe everyone can (and no one simply put Bonecrusher's head back on his body, or maybe that guy in ROTF was a resurrected Bonecrusher?). So I'm ok with Megatron's head still working with just an axe in it having ripped it off. The Allspark killed him in 07, which was a different kind of death, so.... I don't really know where I'm going with this.


    For the question, it probably would have fallen to Starscream to kill Prime and carry out The Fallen's orders. And that Starscream isn't capable of taking down Prime, so Optimus wouldn't have died, The Sun Harvester would never have been triggered, the Matrix would never have been found (although maybe The Fallen would have still made a manhunt for Sam, but he only started all that once Prime was dead so he might have done something completely different). With no matrix, there was no way to bring back Sentinel, so the entire DOTM film wouldn't have happened. And without DOTM, AOE would be very different. Humans wouldn't have turned on Autobots, NEST would still be working with them, so when Lockdown turned up, he would have had a full Autobot/Human force to deal with. It could have ended with Prime going into space to find the creators which would have meant TLK would have happened as we saw (replace Megatron with random named character here). Izzy could have just come from another battle, the Decepticons could have just as easily found another way to get to the Autobot base instead of having a deal with TRF, but all these are superficial changes that wouldn't really affect anything.
     
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    Actually, she didn't need really Optimus. Megatron was already doing what she wanted out of his own will without resisting. If anything, all she needed from Optimus was just to get him out of the way to prevent ruining her plans.
     
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    While it would have been cool to see Starscream actually have a go at the leadership, I agree that he would not really have been capable of executing the Decepticons' / the Fallen's plans in ROTF, and the movie needed to build to an overwhelming Decepticon advantage by the midpoint. Maybe you could have had The Fallen going around Starscream, or maybe Soundwave working with The Fallen to bring back Megatron behind Starscream's back, but that probably would have made ROTF more overstuffed than it already was.
     
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    Or have The Fallen get off his lazy arse and command the Decepticon forces himself, making himself an actual threat in the film that's named after him and maintain his presence throughout, instead of just coming out of left field at the end. He decides Screamer is incapable, takes over the forces himself, he and a few others (or even just The Fallen by himself) beat the crap out of and kill Prime himself, the story can progress as it should, and gives a proper justification for Prime needing the corpse jacket to beat him at the end. Because he already died to the guy once without it.
     
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    That's certainly true.
     
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    Meaning she never even needed to resurrect him from having gone full Poochie in the first place?
     
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    Literally all of megatrons role in the sequels align with Starscreams persona and could've easily been cutted out and replaced with him instead.

    in ROTF/DOTM; it's straight out the ordinary to see this incarnation of Megatron weasel out and backstab people so much when it's all Starscreams shtick. Carley kinda validates this when she convinces the former to folow the "kill or be killed" delima.

    AOE/TLK with the whole "body destroyed but mind still lives" and "higher being delivers new body for collaboration" is by no means a coincidence when it completely omages Starscreams history of being immortal and resurrected by Unicron.

    In truth; Starscream was always supposed to be secondary baddie after megatrons death. If bay had taken that route, there wouldn't be any difference his precense and the alternative.
     
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    Better.. The Characters that already died just let it be.. There are many villain such as Overlord, MegaZarak can be introduce..they actually just worried audiences can't accept Transformers without Megatron, which is a wrong concept..
     
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    Heck, if anything. Here's how i would put my take on these films. Starscream woulda had some sort of lackey (or Lackeys.) to go with him. Perhaps he would recruit the help of his fellow seekers. The Fallen would end up being the main villain by simply overpowering ol' screamer to assert his dominance in some way. The movie could end like the junior adaptation.

    In DOTM Starscream would still take the same role, though he would simply awaken someone like Overlord or Bludgeon, Or heck make Shockwave the main baddie. Basically depict him in a similar way as in the marvel comics if they have to. Plus, make Shockwave basically betray Sentinel and have him say something that goes sorta like this. Sentinel would go like "But... Shockwave, i thought we've made a deal." And Shockwave would respond with. "Logically, you are correct. However, surplus to requirements." He then points his cannon arm to Sentinel "You are no longer required." and then blasts the guy. Which sorta makes Optimus angry for some reason and sorta fights Shockwave. Optimus sorta Succeeds with taking down Shockwave (Likely by disarming him and/or something goes wrong with Shockwave's plans.) Then Sentinel tried to feel bad about his actions and say that he was desperate in bringing back cybertron that he had to betray his comrades to do so, in which he sorta ends up trying to seek forgiveness, Optimus sorta responds by telling him that there is a nother way to resurrect cybertron. But you were blinded by your own ambitions... and those ambitions were the ones that betrayed you." or something like that.

    Oh. kinda unrelated, Bumblebee still uppercuts Soundwave, but his head doesn't get disintegrated. Soundwave gets EMP'd instead thanks to an assist by Ratchet. Bee would make a radio quip about "4 out of 5 doctors agree- You just got served!" or something silly.

    In AOE i guess Galvatron would be replaced with Nemesis Prime, being a corrupted copy of Optimus (in which he would even have his negative traits, like his "violent tendencies") bonus points if Optimus basically pulls a Samurai Jack / Mad Jack battle scenario and defeats Nemesis Prime by basically not fighting him in the end.

    Lockdown and Ratchet's rivalry would be shown more so in a kin of Animated. Ratchet wouldn't be killed, but instead taken by Lockdown to his ship to serve as bait. Likely imprisoning him and force him to work for Lockdown reluctantly.

    And for TLK, the events end up being mostly in a similar way, but things like continuity end up tidied up. The Creators reveal themselves to the the Quintesons and they report to Quintessa about their failure to capture Optimus & his matrix in the last movie, and they were basically the reason why they corrupted most of the KSI robots to serve their needs. They basically decide to bring back Megatron using some sort Quintesson Tech (Perhaps a spark extractor) to extract the Allspark that's embedded in Megs. And then using the extracted Allspark with parts of Unicron to create Galvatron. They knew they were taking a risk, but they believe they could control him thanks to Quintessa's Brainwashing. Meanwhile. Barricade, still bitter from his last defeat from bumblebee, decides to plan a way to get his revenge. So he decided to form a ragtag group of his own with the help of Soundwave. Basically, instead of Megatron visiting the TRF it's Barricade and Soundwave (And Frenzy.) in which their interactions sorta differ. Barricade decides to pick Onslaught, and tells him if he's capable of combination, Onslaught simply nods and Barricade then asks him where is the rest of his combiner team, Onslaught basically shrugs, which sorta frustrates Barricade until Soundwave suggests that we still need some muscle. Frenzy gets friendly with Mohawk. Nitro Zeus is still Nitro Zeus. And... I think i've sorta kinda lost track.
     
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    Turns out Megatron is the key to all of it!
     
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    I'm curious what if Megatron was resurrected at a later time than when he did.
     
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    At what point?
     
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    For one, Prime wouldn't be dead. The strongest Decepticon besides the Tron, Starscream, would stand no chance. Meanwhile The Fallen is too much of a chicken to fight Prime himself despite being more than capable of defeating him without power ups.

    Without Prime dead, the Fallen would never unleash his "revenge" and presumably most of ROTF would've happened very differently.
     
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    Let's say he gets back at an AOE stage you know...it would probably be more of a big deal.He came back from the dead in a way in AOE too but I'm saying what if he wasn't there for most of the first trilogy.
    I imagine so and I think it would make for an/some interesting movie(s) with Starcream messing up so bad they want more and more to bring Megatron back and when it happens it's a big moment after 2 movies or so...having Decepticons drift away from Starscream's rule and more drama there.Also I don't think he's the strongest in that sense...he's just second in command and knows where to strike hard and fast because he's a coward and wants to get as many hits in before he gets away so that's his strenght.
     
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    Maybe Unicron would have resurrected him as Galvatron at some point.