what if blast off and brawl were replaced

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  1. Achilles1943

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    some time ago there was talk that in the last knight, bruticus would be made from onslaught, vortex, swindle, blitzwing and oil slick ...

    I thing the guy who reported this got it no wikipedia, which means no once ever talked about it again

    I know it is a strange thing to bring up again, especially since it is assumed to be false, but I am really curious to know what the public opinion would be if this happened

    keep in mind, your answers can contain lots of stuff :

    #1 - what you think of a triple changer being part of a combiner
    #2 - what role could oil slick play
    #3 - what would happen to the second arm

    my answers would be :

    #1 - very original. he could stay in tank mode, similar to brawl, while forming the leg
    #2 - chest piece or weapon (a shotgun would be awesome !!!)
    #3 - yeah ... no idea about this one ... maybe onslaught has a trailer for his truck mode that can transform into an arm !?
     
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    No
     
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    Blitzwing and Oil Slick would just be names, anyway. I learned a long time ago that all preconceived notions on characters go into the dumpster when talking Bay movies.
     
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    but what if this idea was used on another corner of transformers instead of the movies !?
     
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    What do you mean? Blast-Off made a jet and called Blitzwing and Brawl renamed Oil Slick? It would just look like Combiner Wars Bruticus with different names...so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

    I mean, I guess you could force a traditional Blitzwing as an arm (who would look either like Brawl or jet Blast-Off anyway) and Oil Slick as a leg would just be a repainted Groove...
     
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    Taking Blast Off and Brawl from the team would reduce Bruticus' cool factor by 60 percent. Swindle being part of the team already drags them down 20 percent. replacing BO and Brawl by Blitzwing and especially Oil Slick would create a Derrick J Wyat space time rift that would suck up all the coolness Onslaugt and Vortex bring to the team resulting in a Bruticus who will constantly suffer from a negative coolfactor of 85 percent. He cannot possibly be expected to sell toys under those conditions.
    Please do not make this mistake !
    Blast Off and Brawl need to remain part of the Combaticons in order for the team to be succesfull !
     
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    Then the effect would be even more disastrous.
    To reverse this we would have to replace every Blitzwing in the Multiverse by a Quake and every Swindle by a Crankcase.
    Actually that's a very good idea.

    How about in a future movie and cartoon we have a Quake and a Cranckase, Cranky has his MTMTE popularity going for him and Quake could revisit his anarchist portrayal from Costas run and team up with movie Quillfire.
     
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    i don't get it. why would bruticus be missing an arm?
     
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    Just shows how weak a "new" idea is when it has to lean so hard on the old branding. Isn't anybody curious how these space robot explosion movies would've done without a handful of trademarks slapped all over?
     
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    Aren't all combiner members technically triple changers?
     
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    No on replacing blast off and brawl with some other guys in the last knight or no on onslaught forming any part of a combiner period in the last knight?

    Cuz' i don't get the vagueness of it.
     
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    If Bruticus was in TLK, Brawl would need a replacement anyway given that he's several types of dead now.
     
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    I think it was called 'Energon' where all members of Bruticus (Maximus) were not even nameslaps of guys from the G1 Combaticons.

    Unfortunately, Bruticus is the odd one out when it comes to adapting his combination profile, because of Blast Off being a rather random addition as a space shuttle for an arm. The shitstorm over how CW Bruticus simply slapped together a repaint of Slingshot/Quickslinger was mosty over how the most recognizable alt. mode of the Combaticons was left out, instead replaced with a repainted aerialbot with the wrong head (Hasbro went for the more accurate eyes, turns out people would have preferred the mouthplate), whereas Takara went and made a proper Blast Off even if he has to partsform to do it.

    Now, the problem really isn't with the trademarks, though - nameslaps who are only true to the original in name alone is nothing new, even one of the major reasons people keep thinking Bruticus is all but confirmed is because the name Onslaught is tied to TF5, even though he's not a large military truck and people somehow forgot Brawl died in the first film anyway. The problem lies in people constantly expecting names to actually be binding proof that so-and-so from G1 by that name is being put in wholesale despite every sequel film proving this is not guaranteed with the likes of Wheelie, Jetfire, Skids, Sideswipe, Barricade (the G1 guy was a micromaster racecar!), Laserbeak (never perched on Megatron IIRC), Hound, Crosshairs, and of course the aforementioned Onslaught.

    I'm inclined to say yes only because as far as toy development goes, the combined modes need to be treated as a third alt. mode for incorporation. However, that's only on a technicality, since nominally triple changers are designated such because they have two distinct alternate configurations operable by the individual transformer alone - and there are transformers with two alt. modes who are not regularly considered triple changers. I.E. G1 Galvatron, who in addition to the tank mode does in fact have a gun mode in a neat little nod to his origin, but traditionally this unused form is overlooked and he just has the robot/tank modes (though thanks to TR giving him the jet, he is a proper triplechanger once more).

    Brawl being replaced would be necessary given he kinda died back in the first film.

    And while I already do not plan on seeing TF5, I hope to God they don't try another combiner. Devestator was a giant pile of disappointment who actually does more to contribute to a fight in the Universal Studios Theme Park attraction than he does in ROTF, and even then while he was busy eating sand you had dudes supposedly part of him - namely Long Haul, Red Scrapper, and Mixmaster - actually taking part in the main fight with the Autobots.
     
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    And yet they purposely use those names to draw in people who recognize the original characters those names refer to. They didn't have the courage to market a film about Truckster and the Cartrons versus the evil Defraudabots. Perhaps the same explodorific robo-wrasslin' film connoisseurs would've flocked to them anyway. Do they think they're deriving some kind of prestige from working on a brand name, above and beyond what the work itself would merit?
     
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    Nah, there's no need. I appreciate an expansion of an original team but I don't like original team members being dropped for the sake of being dropped. Even though we saw new characters in Combiner Wars, we did still get Slingshot, Wildrider and Groove later. That's fine by me. I really don't mind if a combiner team has more members than it is possible to combine simultaneously with.

    However, I don't expect that from combiners in other series. Energon combiners had new names but they aren't the same team as their equivalents in G1. So thats perfectly okay. Brawl and Blast Off should always be members of the G1 Combaticons.
     
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    That was Devastator, who just happened to share his name with the ROTF construction vehicle behemoth.

    Although if there can be possibly two Devastators in the movieverse, why not two guys named Brawl? Never bought the idea that Cybertronian names are unique identifiers. Even if the tank in the first movie was "a" Brawl, that doesn't necessarily preclude another Brawl being part of Bruticus.
     
  17. Achilles1943

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    we have seen a lot of "clone cons" in the movies

    they could just claim the brawl of the 1st film was only a clone, like the dotm "brawl"
     
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