What crossovers has there been with Transformers in fiction?

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  1. SaberPrime

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    I added "In fiction" to the title because I'm not talking about those Marvel and Star Wars toys where vehicles transform into piloted mechas for the character or that Animorphs toy line.

    I'm talking about legitimate fiction where the Autobots and Decepticons have interacted with characters from another franchise. Marvel still technically counts but not Star Wars.

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    Ghostbusters also technically counts because Ectotron isn't just a random toy only character like the other vehicle to robot character have been, he actually appears in fiction along side the Autobots and the Ghostbusters.

    The reason I'm asking is because when I try to look it up on TFWiki it keeps thinking I'm talking about that Crossovers toy line rather than crossovers in fiction so I'm not sure how to find a complete list of crossovers between Transformers and other franchises in fiction.

    The ones I know about are:

    GI Joe
    Marvel
    Doctor Who (Though I don't think they directly met each other Death's Head has encountered both Transformers and the 7th Doctor so I'm counting it.)
    Ghostbusters
    AND... Star Trek though I'm not sure if that's official or fan art but I recently came across this.

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    Not only does this have Fort Max as the original Enterprise fighting along side other G1 Transformers but the original Enterprise crew as depicted in Star Trek the Animated series, also appear in this. I'm specifying the Animated series in case you didn't know because there are two crew members who do not appear in the live action series.

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    I don't really know their names but that lion looking cat lady... and why does she look like she has a lion's mane at all when only male lions have that? And that other weird looking long necked alien dude who I think was referenced in the reboot since they can actually do that with CGI now but that dude would not have been possible in live action at the time.

    Also this image seems to have been mirrored for some reason because all their badges are on the wrong side.

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    Here's another image of all the female characters together... including the weird lion lady. I can tell the art looks a lot cleaner here than it does in the image from the old TV show but that's still clearly the same characters. They even have that same weird eye look where their eye balls match their skin tone for some reason... except for the lion lady, those two animated only characters are the only ones who have actual eye color. And again this would not have been possible in live action at the time the cartoon was made. I think they could have done everything else with costume and make up but it would have been impossible to give her those cat eyes since contacts wouldn't even exist for another 20 years. And even then not everyone is willing to use contacts. I don't really like wearing glasses but I have contacts even more. Sensitive eyes, any foreign object irritates my eyes, even clean water. So I literally can't use contacts. The tail might also be a problem since for what they could do back then it would likely have been a stationary costume piece that never moves. That's likely why those characters only ever appeared in animation since it allowed them to do characters like this without any restrictions. I still don't get why all the live action characters have skin colored eyes though. They look like their eye lids are shut and they just have pupils and their upper eye lashes painted on. I wouldn't look so odd if lion lady and long neck had those same eyes but the fact that those two characters have actual eye color while everyone else have eyes painted onto skin makes it look really weird.

    ANYWAY... considering Transformers exists with Doctor Who and Doctor Who also did a crossover with Star Trek it wouldn't be too far of a stretch for these to co-exist as well.

    Anyway... are there any other crossover comics I should know about that I didn't mention?
     
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    I looked all through that wiki page and looked up Evangelion... I still don't understand what the story is even about. Why aren't the eva's listed as characters? How the heck do the Transformers become evas? If Evas are only piloted mecha why is there only one human character listed in the entire crossover? This seems like a pretty boring crossover to me because as far as I can tell Evangelion is just a Transformers knock off with no real plot other than fighting some monster of the week.. or it's just the least interesting cross over to me because I know nothing about the Evangelion. And here I thought GI Joe would be the most boring and uninteresting crossover we talked about in this thread... well to me anyway because I've never been a fan of GI Joe.

    I might attempt to watch Evangelion at some point, maybe I'll think more of it after I see a couple episodes but reading the plot synopses it just doesn't sound like anything. Honestly this could just be a straight Transformers story because I can't figure out what Evangelion is adding to the story.
     
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    Sgt. Frog one time. We also somewhat recently got the excellent Mazinger Z Vs. Transformers

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    To be fair their crossover with Evangelion was pretty lazy, they could've done so much more with the premise but they only did the bare minimum, as it is the crossover is pretty lazy and doesn't represent either series particularly well.
     
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    Never heard of either of those properties before either... and something about movie Starscream with those little chibi people just doesn't look right. Though to be fair I looked up that anime and the show itself seems to have drastically different animation styles between the people and the frogs.

    The other one looks better though it features a character who looks like he could just be a Transformer himself... though maybe with a Cybertronian mode because I can't picture that turning into any Earth vehicle.
     
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    Sgt frog is a funny show that more or less like a anime pinky and the brain. Makes fun of everything. Even the show and it's makers! (one episode had the narrator quit the show and is replaced by a girl narrator then she leaves not liking the show and they talk the old one into returning all in just one episode!)

    Sgt frog has crossed over with gundam also!



    One of the movies. Gundams are used.



    As for transformers in one episode while in a big robot they sent commands to the pilot by "autobot email!"

    As for the comics marvel had Spider-Man, nick fury, roxxon, savage lands and godzilla and the fantastic four are talked about and confirmed. Dr who, death's head and circuit breaker plus the real ghostbusters was saved by the autobots from a zombie starscream in the uk comics!
     
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    IDW's Revolution was one big cross-over covering

    Transformers
    GI Joe
    ROM
    Micronauts
    Action Man
    MASK
     
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    Not sure if it counts as an crossover, probably more of an parody, but the threat reminded me of the Panty & Stocking "trans-homers" episode.
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    the "story" of the crossover is quite weak, it's pretty much Starscream's ghost possesses an Angel, then Optimus scans Eva-01 and beats the ghost out of it

    and I absolutely recommend watching Eva, there's a reason it's one of the most influential anime of all time, especially in Japan
     
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    Don't forgot IDW's Transformers Vs. Visionaries.
     
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    Optimus scans an Eva Unit to fight an Angel possessed Starscream which is weird because Eva's are actually giant monsters with control units plugged into them and armor, sort of like giant kaiju cyborgs
     
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    Not gonna lie, Anglescream is lit, would buy him if given chance.
     
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    OK that sounds right up my ally, I need to check this show out. Is there an English dub?

    You don't need to list all of Marvel comics. The Avengers and the X-Men appeared in there as well but they all exist in the same universe anyway so even the characters who haven't met a Transformer like Jessica Jones could potentially exist in that same universe.

    Godzilla is an interesting one I didn't know about though.

    And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Circuit Breaker a human villain who is actually part of the Transformers own universe? Not really a crossover if she belongs with them in the first place.

    Doctor Who and Ghostbusters I already mentioned. As well as Death's Head who was created specificially to be a crossover character... and Marvel had him appear in one of their comics first so they could keep the rights to him.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't really know much about either franchise but I was under the impression that MASK was always intended to be a subdivision of GI Joe so is it really a cross over if they were always in the same universe to begin with?

    I think the Transformers connection of the MASK technology being reversed engineered from Cybertroian technology was a retcon introduced in the crossover so it still counts from that perspective I'm just questioning why GI Joe and MASK were listed as totally different entities because I thought those always shared the same universe.

    Like wise from what I've found because I never heard of ROM before, he's a Micronauts character so those two are also essentially the same property.



    Mars Attacks? I know one of the producers of that movie! I MET SOMEONE WHO WORKED ON TRANSFORMERS... sort of kind of not really because he probably doesn't even know this crossover exists because it's a comic book with a completely different creative team than the actual movie but also they had to get the rights from the movie studio so Larry Franco might know about this and it's much easier and more exciting to say it the other way than to talk about all this boring business stuff...



    I was going to say that's more of a parody than a crossover except it appears that the actual Autobots did appear in appear alongside the Autobirds... and also apparently some how caused the Angry Birds to become Autobirds in the first place.

    The Decepticons only seem to appear in the first issue along side the Deceptihogs. The Autobots appear in the first and last issue but the Transformers disappear from the story entirely except for the beginning and end so I'm still hesitant to count this as anything more than a parody.


    Wait there's a character in the X-Files named David Simmons... like Seymour Simmons... Now I have this head cannon that they're directly related some how and that's why Seymour is such a conspiracy nut. Also I see Mulder in the cast but where's Scully? Those are the two main characters, how do you do an X-Files crossover with only half of the main cast?


    Yeah I think that counts as more of a Parody than a crossover. Speaking of which I'm not including Robot Chicken sketches, Family Guy cut a ways, or any of the references on the Simpsons either. I do know about them but only real crossovers please.

    I don't even get what the story of Evangelion is. I think I would need to understand what the heck the source material is about to understand the crossover... though a couple people have said that the crossover isn't even a good representation of the source material so I'm kinda getting the impression that the story in the cross over would be just as stupid regardless of if I knew anything about the anime or not.
     
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    That's also the case with Circuit Breaker - Josie Beller had appeared as herself in TF first, but she first appeared as Circuit Breaker in Secret Wars II.



    Neither MASK nor ROM originated with Hasbro, they were brought in through acquisition and so neither were part of a Hasbro shared universe. The argument for ROM, though, is that both he and Micronauts had Marvel comics, so technically were part of the Marvel universe together. MASK comics were produced by DC and Fleetway, so they never shared with GI Joe which was Marvel.
     
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    Really, Eva was probably the least well-suited mecha series to cross over with TF, simply because they’re so tonally distant, the one being an in-depth exploration of existentialist philosophy and the human psyche (with mecha elements) and the latter being primarily battle oriented and fundamentally about robots. That said, the crossover was fun at the very least (and quartered off in its own continuity) which makes it leagues better than IDW’s old TF/Avengers crossover.
     
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    So she's a Transformers character but they made her a super villain in the Marvel crossover, got it.

    Um... technically Transformers wasn't even originated with Hasbro. It was originally Diaclone, Microman, and a few other toy lines mostly owned by Takara that Hasbro acquired and turned into Transformers. Also just because a toy line is owned by Hasbro doesn't mean they automatically share a universe together. It's the fiction that is most important here not what company originally owned what.

    Did you happen to notice that I mentioned the MASK technology being Cybertronian was a recon added in the crossover. That's because Transformers and GI Joe have not always been part of a shared universe despite both being Hasbro properties. The fictions started separately and only became part of a shared universe after the crossover.

    Just like most of Marvels properties were not always part of one shared universe. That only happened after the Avengers brought everyone together. DC Comics same thing but with Justice League. In fact originally Superman existed as a fictional character in Batman's universe but not as a real person Batman could interact with.

    Like I said he's a Micronauts character. I couldn't find anything suggesting ROM ever existed separately from them. Maybe as a toy he did but we're talking about the fiction.

    I wouldn't say they were part of the Marvel universe though... because again just because Marvel makes the comics doesn't always automatically mean they exist in the same universe as everything else. I consider the Marvel universe to be the properties that were originally from Marvel to begin with, all the super heroes essentially. Properties that they acquired from other companies like Transformers, Micronauts, Doctor Who, ect. that they had a license to write comics for but weren't really their own properties aren't generally considered to be part of the Marvel universe. This is because the license agreement they have with the company who actually owns the franchise can expire and they lose the rights to those characters so they have to exist in a separate universe to avoid problems later when they eventually can't use those characters anymore. This is essentially what happened with Transformers and Doctor Who when they moved to IDW.

    The BBC owns the rights to Doctor Who so there again any comic book publisher is not going to include the BBC's properties as part of their own shared universe just in case they lose the license to use those characters. The general rule for crossovers is if we own all exclusive rights to the property then they're part of a shared universe, if we own a license agreement to use a property that's actually owned by a different company then they have to be from a different universe so that we have a built in back door for the future when we're no longer able to use these characters. In this way a crossover can still happen without potentially causing an issue later on when certain characters just suddenly stop existing.

    Doctor Who and Star Trek are in cannon from two totally different universes. It's literally mentioned in the crossover that they shouldn't exist in the same universes. The Cybermen and the Borg crossed over into the Star Trek universe they don't share a universe. Even though IDW writes both of their comics they can't share a universe. Doctor Who is owned by the BBC and Star Trek is own by Paramount. IDW doesn't really own either property so one or both properties could potentially move to other publishers... besides that Star Trek actually exists as a fictional universe within Doctor Who as there have been multiple references to Star Trek in the Doctor Who TV series.

    So what I'm getting from that is that the idea of MASK being a subdivision of GI Joe was also a retcon introduced in the crossover and not always part of that fiction as I had thought.
     
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    She was created for TF, but was used in SWII first so Marvel would keep the rights.


    No. The TF toys originated as other lines. TF as a line with fiction (which seems to be your focus) originated with Hasbro.


    GI Joe and TF first crossed over in the Marvel days, long before MASK could even be considered as connected due to different toy companies and publishers.


    ROM isn't a Micronauts character. They had separate comics published by Marvel - ROM was a Spaceknight. They didn't share a continuity (other than perhaps the wider Marvel universe) until the IDW crossover.

    This is part of the problem here. You've asked a question with hidden conditions, so it's impossible to actually answer as some of the conditions close options, while others open too many doors

    For example:
    This would also open all of DC, since they've crossed over with Marvel (and so can exist in the same universe), and via that

    * All of Hanna Barbera
    * Judge Dredd
    * The Terminator
    * Aliens and Predators
    * The Avengers (Steed & Mrs. Peel)
    * The Mask
    * The Quik Bunny

    And lots of others that have had official crossovers with DC characters.
     
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    OK the reason I thought ROM was a Micronauts character is because when I looked him up all the search results were coming up with Micronauts. That said I just did a search for the name Spaceknight and that finally gave me results for ROM's own solo comics. I'm not sure why Spaceknight never came up before but at least now I have a better understanding of where the heck ROM came from.

    Not really a hidden condition. I thought everyone generally understood the difference between a Marvel owned property and a property owned by a different company licensed to Marvel. It's more just something I didn't realize I needed to explain until after it came up.

    Nope those don't and have never existed in the same universe. They have crossed over but as I explained in my last post that would of been a crossover between two entirely different universes since both Marvel and DC would known that they have a limited contract to use each other's characters for this crossover and that these characters won't ever meet again afterwards they can't share a universe.

    Spider-man, Ironman, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Captain America, X-Men, the Fantastic Four, Dare Devil, ect. Those characters are all able to share a universe in the comics because they're all Marvel Properties. The Avengers unlike other Crossovers can be a permanent thing because Marvel doesn't have to worry about their license expiring with another company and never having access to one or more of the Avengers, all the Avengers are owned by Marvel... At least in the comics...

    The issue with certain characters not being in the MCU is that Marvel had sold film rights to various different companies before Disney bought them out entirely and they're still required to honor any pre-existing contracts with other companies. So while X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-man and such are in fact Marvel properties Disney just can't use them in movies until they can get the film rights back from the other companies who currently hold them... or buy out those companies entirely like they did with Fox.

    To make this really simple... while Green Lantern has done a crossover with Daffy Duck it's not likely that those two characters would ever share the same universe since Green Lantern is a DC super hero and Daffy Duck is a Warner Brothers cartoon character. The two companies work together which is why that cross over happened but are not the same company, they're from two different worlds that don't even share the same laws of physics. The Looney Toons would never become regular characters in the DC universe.

    From a real world stand point if the companies ever split up then they'd suddenly lose access to use each others characters.

    From an in story stand point it would be stupid as hell for Bugs Bunny to suddenly show up in a CW Arrowverse crossover. Daffy Duck becomes a Green Lantern, fine for a one off parody crossover cartoon. Daffy Duck being a regular DC character doesn't work. There are no anthropomorphic talking animals who defy the laws of physics in DC comics. The only anthropomorphic talking animals that do exist are either mutated normal animals or mutated humans with characteristics of animals. While super powers do break the laws of real world physics they do have limits within that universe while toon force has no limits and can do literally anything as long as it's funny. One is clearly more grounded in reality than the other. Having them exist in the same universe would be like accepting the Star Wars Muppet crossover where Mark Hamil is Luke Skywalker's twin cousin as canon. Clearly the Muppet Show can not exist in the Star Wars universe even though they are both owned by Disney now.

    And yes that is a real thing, if you've never seen it you need to watch it, it's funny as hell... especially the part about Mark Hamil and Luke Skywalker being cousins, there's a whole bit, I don't want to give too much away, you just have to see it.
     
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    She is the same as death's head. Marvel put her in their comic first to own her. IDW had to get the ok from marvel to even reprint the comics with her!

    Neo knights on the other hand no one knows. They say marvel owns them then Hasbro and back and forth. Who know at this point who owns the neo knights. Marvel was going to make a in universe comic with them at one point.

    The marvel transformers marvel universe is not the main marvel universe so no we don't know who is in it. Yes spidey, nick fury and the ff are in it but there may be no iron man or hulk. It's another universe. The avengers crossover is the idw universe for idw and it's also part of the crossoververse (marvel and dc world started in superman vs Spider-Man) for marvel.


    Also as a fun sidenote seasprey made a cameo in a archie comic and soundwave in sonic!

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