I literally thought about this....Hasbro basically pulled a 1986 with AOE to do a clean house.Do you agree?

 

That's about where the similarities end.

 

Even in the case of "cleaning house," DotM was closer to the 1986 movie in that regard, or at least the first third of the 1986 film. DotM killed a lot more named robots than AoE did.

AoE is more like the Bayverse's Five Faces of Darkness. It follows a major battle that was a turning point for the series. You have alien bounty hunters hunting the Autobots for the makers of the Transformers and the Autobots finding out they were created by another race. You have Megatron's survival unknown, just like Galvatron's survival was unknown to most in FFoD.

 

Also:

1. Both introduced Galvatron after Megatron experiences a near-death experience.
2. The remains of past villains (Seekers for G1, Sentinel for DOTM) were used to build new armies for Galvatron to lead (Cyclonus and Stinger).
3. Ratchet dies in both but with different significance.
4. Sideswipe and Mirage die (I think?), though AOE never directly showed it.
5. A triple changer capable of converting between land and aerial vehicles is introduced in both (Drift & Springer). Both are also Autobots.
6. Both films open to the destruction of a species.
7. At least a handful of people would agree they marked the start of the "RUINED FOREVER" phase for their respective continuities.

 

Agreed.

TFTM is actually a pretty low-key movie once you get past the hardcore city battle where a lot of the secondary cast dies and Hot Rod stupidly gets Prime killed in an attempt to help (and Prime's death naturally). But the film, even if it's suspiciously similar to Star Wars Episode IV right down to Arcee knocking off the Leia hair, is still quintessentially about the Transformers. And it has the entire Junkion battle/dance party sequence which to this day is probably one of the best things to come out of the 80s.

AoE is not about the Transformers in the same capacity as TFTM, not even close. It's all a bunch of JJ Abrams style 'Mystery Box' bullshit that never had any answers no matter how hard people try to convince themselves otherwise.

 

Uhhhhhh... How did you come to that conclusion??

 

Prime gets Prime killed, Hot Rod was just set up by the writers to take the fall, but he was the only one acting rationally. Everyone else refused to give Prime backup, and Prime himself wasted time talking when he could have finished it, and stood there like a lump for like thirty seconds while Hot Rod and Megatron wrestled, never once bothering to help.

Hot Rod was fucking framed by the writers, he didn’t get anyone killed, shitty direction and scene planning did. Arguably his only mistake was tackling Megatron instead of shooting him, but hey he fired exactly as many shots as Prime did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Only in some aspects. Other than that the two movies are completely different. One is about the Transformers themselves and the other is just a movie of pandering to the Chinese audience, a Romeo and Juliet law, Stanley Tucci screaming and an Optimus Prime who looks like he doesn’t even transform into a truck... let alone anything.

 

Basically, no.

 

That's true for all of the movies: 1986, 2007, RotF, DotM, AoE, TLK, and Bumblebee, because every TF film ever made has more than a handful of detractors.

Personally, I consider AoE the highest peak of the Bay movies, and I consider 1986 and Season 3 to be better than what came before in the Sunbow cartoon.

 

I thought ROTF was the closest to the 86 movie.

 

I just wish The Last Knight had picked one story and went with it, as opposed to the five it decided to merge together.

 

Yeah I mean they were basically the same movie, honestly.

I struggle to tell them apart, it's a real problem.

 

 

Rule of drama applies to this scene as an ostensible final showdown between a pair of ancient adversaries - banter will be exchanged, no getting around that. Plus the Marvel comics after the movie made a very good scene out of replicating the scenario with Rodimus Prime where after the mercy is requested he just yells “Request denied!” and blows away the hapless Decepticon. Not only is it a good callback but it’s a very good character moment to help set Optimus and Rodimus apart. It’s a shame it never happened in the cartoon but it is what it is.

So no it’s not Hot Rod’s fault it happened, but he didn’t help the situation in any way.

 

Yeah, it went downhill when Cogman showed up...

 

I mean, neither one has a real plot.

 

At least he tried. Maybe if anyone, literally anyone else, had joined him Prime wouldn’t have been shot.

Maybe Kup, who had enough time to yell at him to not try and help their leader, or maybe Optimus himself could’ve jumped in to lend a hand?

Hot Rod had the universe against him. All logic should’ve dictated that once he pounced Megatron after he grabbed the gun Prime absolutely should’ve done anything at all. Hot Rod’s not nearly as big as Megatron and clearly could’ve used a fucking hand, but Optimus apparently thought standing still was best.

#HotRodWasFuckingFramed

 

They both have transformers in them