Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by barry, Jul 17, 2018.
Apeface got a blade.
Agreed. When I look at that head sculpt, I can totally hear that Frank-Welker-doing-his-best-Gregory-Peck-impression voice...
Reflector family portrait
I got Mirage a couple of weeks ago and was nicely surprised. In my opinion, the "arm wall" doesn't stick out as badly as it looked in some pictures. The fake chest doesn't look THAT out of place in the car. I found the transformation to be pretty neat - the legs form the first two thirds of the car. The robot mode looks great and is a clear upgrade from CW Mirage.
I don’t think I hold Siege up as highly as others in this thread do, but the standard of articulation it’s introduced is superb. As much as I still enjoy my older TFs I wish they would have ankle tilts too
Yeah mirage is a great figure picked one up last month
has it ever been found what causes the issues with ultra magnus forearm panel not closing?
Mine does this too only on the right arm. It closes but not all the way :/
yeah, its always the right arm i think. after spending ages looking at it, it seems the arm is stretching the arour out a little when its put in but i cant find the source
Purple energy crew
Woo almost done! I just need Atrain for my daughter, Starscream for my boyfriend and Barricade for me.
My trophy for hunting the very last Ape...
Or at least the last one out of 8 stores in my area.
I kinda want seige Springer now. His bright faded colors and scraped paint reminds me of a carnival ride.
Agreed! Others have said Dean Martin, but I always thought Gregory Peck, even as a kid!
That's what Arcee said
Quick q for the Siege Crew: Got me a Mirage, lovin' him so far, but are his hand suppose to not be able to fold in all the way? Mine can't, and it's got a minor effect on the vehicle mold, slightly pushing out the his butterfly joint hinges while as a car and the spoiler doesn't go completely flush with itself while connected.
I realize some people may not have this figure yet, I’m just trying to get out in front of this thing. And I sincerely apologize for the following long post, Ok, but it’s time to address the 800-lb gorilla in the room.
Apeface is a Horrorcon, but he’s not nearly as scary as some people are making him out to be. This, in my humble opinion, may logistically be one of the best figures in the Siege line. This will not be a popular opinion, which is perfectly fine. But I will support my opinion based on nostalgic, objective, and subjective reasons. Please bear with me.
G1 Apeface and Snapdragon were two figures I treasured greatly from that era. Yet I never owned either one. A childhood friend had them and every time we played together I wanted these toys. They were a magnificent fusion of multiple forms. Along with Double Dealer, they were the first triple-changers that could transform into a robot, a vehicle mode, and a beast mode. They were fascinating and provided exponential play value across multiple genres of toys in one figure. Siege Apeface does this also, in spades.
Forget about the kibble on his back. We all knew that was coming and honestly by now it’s to be expected of some of these toys. Their transformations facilitate the moving of parts and triple-changers are notorious for having parts from other modes blending over into each other. There’s no way around it, just ways of dealing with it. At least compared to the G1 figure we can plug a gun onto this one’s back as an action feature. And honestly, it doesn’t really feel in the way in this mode. It doesn’t hinder his articulation and actually holds together really well. That is as long as you are connecting the head correctly.......
Yep, that’s how it’s supposed to look. It’s not impossible to get there. I think aside from Peaugh, every single review I have watched of this figure has done this incorrectly. They all gave up after maybe a minute. DO NOT GIVE UP!!! APEFACE IS WORTH IT!!! I will admit, I fiddled with it for a while, until I finally understood something.
The tab on the neck that goes into the port under the nose cone isn’t just a tab, it’s a clip.
Notice the shape of the neck piece here. All the reviews I’ve seen only focused on the tab here.
That molded curve is what actually pushes this tab into place. It clips onto where the nose cone is pinned to the neck with the tab resting in the slot.
Gently nudge it into position and the neck piece will sit flush against the hinge. After doing this, the rest is cake. I recommend doing this first, then tabbing in the side pieces to his back, and then connect the bottom portion of the neck. After I was able to reconcile this, I realized just how clever it is. And it is a dead solid hold when done right.
When all is said and done, Apeface should look like this in gorilla mode. And he is an absolute beaut of a beast. This Cybertronian Silverback is the Best Gorilla Transformer ever! Sorry BW Optimus Primal fans. I like my Transformers to actually look like robots, even the animal ones. And he’s still very well articulated in this mode and I love his hooked hands. I need to find a tree for him. Only complaint I have in this mode is his ape arms don’t have a swivel to properly do a chest thumping pose.
The way the ball joints in the shoulders work, he can just barely reach his chest, but gets an ‘A’ for effort. This is his trickiest mode, but arguably Apeface’s best mode. Just be patient with him. Now for the jet mode.
Obviously, not an Earth-style jet. If you don’t think about it that way, the blockiness isn’t so bad. The G1 toy was very similar, so the Siege jet is not that far of a stretch of the imagination if you’re familiar with it. Now there have been reports of the gun not holding in the slots of the nose cone. I’ve not had that issue so it may be a YMMV thing. One tip to help make the jet look better, flip the back ape feet up slightly to act as tail fins. Really does help aesthetically.
It’s much easier to tab the nose cone in than the ape head, I will admit. There are two peg holes in the front that the cone tabs into. Now this white plastic seems to be a note of concern too. I actually think it was kind of a stroke of genius. It’s more pliable and flexible, but not overly. As much trouble as some people have had with transforming him, I think it’s a benefit to the figure to help prevent breakage. One other helpful tip, untab the side sections from the back before tabbing the cone in. Since it is more pliable and the cone actually has some sturdy pegs, the plastic will give a little when you try to peg it in. Put a finger behind those sections to reinforce it to tab in better and then close the side sections back up.
One last thing about the jet mode. The shield/wing piece is painted translucent plastic. The slot for it in jet mode is very tight which could eventually run the risk of breaking the peg on the clear plastic. Rather than trying to mod the shield piece, I used a small file to put in the peg hole and twisted it around a bit. This shaved off enough of the plastic inside for the wingshield to fit better, also making it easier to pull back out. I really like the jet mode. For a sci-fi Cybertronian block with wings, it works nicely. And now for robot mode......
Of which I will say this, I.LOVE.IT! Apeface’s overall design is genius and beautiful and very indicative of his G1 counterpart. Let’s get the worst outta the way first.
He’s got a backpack. But like I said about gorilla mode, the kibble should be no surprise at this point. As long as you got the ape head folded into the nose cone, it’s not as bad as it looks. Be sure to keep his wings slid out from their ports as you see above. This allows the wingtips to tab into the feet on his shoulders and the tail section to tab into the bottom of the wings. This helps to avoid warping the wings too by doing this. It may look clunky, but I assure you, if done right everything holds together solidly. And allows for some nice dynamic posing.
Oh, he just looks so good. I actually think the battle damage makes this figure look better. As much as I like the pearly white plastic, I’ll admit it could’ve benefited from some paint apps. A minor nitpick, at least from me. And again, he is solid. The only hollowness here is where his fists fold in. Everything else is folded up and compacted quite nicely to give Apeface a very powerful and almost regal silhouette.
Siege Apeface may have taken the top spot amongst the Voyagers in this line for me. I have always wanted an Apeface and Snapdragon figure. If not the G1 toys, then a well executed update of each that still captured the essence and spirit of the G1 characters. Siege, once again, delivers what I have always wanted. I don’t mind having to figure out how my toys are supposed to be for me. If they’re not correct right out of the box, I’ll find a way to fix it if I can. Be it bad instructions, mold flash, splotchy paint, mistransformation, ham-fistedness, or other small discrepancies of this nature, these types of things can be overcome. Now if the figure is straight up broken-beyond-repair, missing pieces or accessories, has two left feet, and other things beyond your control, by all means send that POS back and replace it or get your money back. These figures are becoming more and more complex because they are adapting to the habits of the collector. Sometimes the collector has to adapt to the toy as well. Don’t just start throwing toys against the wall because of user error. Apeface is awesome and deserves our respect. And if none of that is enough for you, he’s one more Decepticon to add to their thinning ranks.
A CHUG Crankcase is missing which IMO would be more likely to show up before HasTak trademarks Fulcrum's name for the first time. But if they do release a Fulcrum first that would be more proof of HasTak actually listening to the request of comic book readers and adult collectors/fans.
Great review! I'm getting more excited to get the figure, despite early reservations. I hit 'like' before I even read it, just out of respect for the amount of work put into your post
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