Walmart exclusive WFC Netflix Series Figures

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  1. Fenrys

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    Punch/Counterpunch has only been released via Amazon. There's a few other Amazon releases over the years that have never been reissued, but some of the tooling from POTP Nemesis Prime did end up with Netflix Nemesis Prime about 2 years after POTP Nemesis was released, further supporting the general 2 year exclusivity of some tooling.
     
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    And mass retail in Japan(the first release that is for P/CP). Ordered my version from Amiami. The recent one of course from Amazon for domestic USA that is.
     
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    The method of release in Japan doesn't really factor in when talking about regional store exclusives in the US though. Many of our exclusives end up at mass retail from Takara. Context of the conversation says that regional exclusives in the US is what was being discussed.
     
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    "........has only been..." Yup context as it has to be placed in context as domestic USA to Japan. Also, many regular releases domestic USA turned up TTMall exclusives.:) 
     
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    Again, context of the conversation was about US exclusives.
     
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    Yeah, but again, the counterexample of the ER Vanbro mold being reused within a handful of months of its uses as Ratchet and Ironhide to be redecoed into non-Amazon-exclusive SG Ratchet. Even if Amazon has a couple examples that vaguely seem like they might kinda slip into the same vein, I don't think there's anywhere near as clear a pattern as there is with Walmart, especially on account of the counterexamples.

    Oh, and for a Target counterexample: remember that when they were originally designing Velocitron Cosmos, they were initially planning on using the Target Buzzworthy Origins Bumblebee mold, before Takara's engineers were like "nah we can figure out a whole new mold with a limited set of toolings". If that Origins Bee mold were locked under exclusivity with Target, they wouldn't have even considered using it in the first place I don't think.
     
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    Definitely don't disagree with you. Walmart is the most consistent with its exclusivity deals whe. It comes to new molds, was just noting that it does occasionally happen with other retailers as well, just on a much less frequent basis.
     
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    Though SG Ratchet may share the design with the Amazon exclusive Ironhide, he has a different head. Thus technically he's a different mould and counts as a retool. We have never seen the ER Ironhide mould used again, nor was it reissued outside of Amazone. That does seem to be Amazon exclusive and something Hasbro cannot just re-release.

    It sounds ridiculous that a different head should be sufficient to get around such a deal, so maybe it's a combination of mould and colours. Then again, minor changes to a design is also how Hasbro circumvents getting car licenses for TF's: they just change a few details and licensing is no longer an issue.

    The odd one is ER Ramjet. To my knowledge this mould was first released by Amazon and there's no difference (save name and or colour) between it, G2 Ramjet and Sandstorm -- though the latter two were also exclusives in a way.
     
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    ...You forget about the ER Galactic Odyssey Ratchet, that was also Amazon-exclusive and released before the SG redeco?

    And yes, we have seen the ER Ironhide mold in its entirety redecoed again - as Generations Selects DK-2 Guard, a Fan Channel exclusive. Less than two years after either the initial Amazon Ironhide or the initial Amazon retool into Ratchet.

    So basically, the timeline goes:
    -mid-late 2020: initial retool of the Siege Ironhide mold into Earthrise Ironhide, Amazon exclusive
    -late-late 2020: redeco with new head of Earthrise Ironhide into Earthrise Ratchet, also Amazon exclusive
    -also late-late 2020: redeco of Earthrise Ratchet into SG Ratchet, not Amazon exclusive, within a month or two of the Amazon Ratchet
    -early 2022: redeco of Earthrise Ironhide into GS DK-2 Guard, not an Amazon exclusive, and less than two years after the initial use
     
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    DK-2 Guard says "hey dude, don't forget about me!!!"
     
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    @TFfangeek @Fenrys & @Jeddostotle7 Right, forgot about Guard.

    But as pointed out by the timeline, there's quite a bit of time between ER Ironhide and GenSel excl. DK-2 Guard.
     
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    That is true. The two figures were released two years apart, and in the world of Transformers collecting that is a lengthy amount of time.
     
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    Plus, and I have NO way of knowing if this is true, but it's possible that the exclusivity contract may dictate no other retailer but allow the manufacturer to sell at will. Some of my company's contracts have similar competition clauses.
     
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    But again, it was somewhat less than two years, and again you're ignoring that months after the Amazon-exclusive Ironhide there was its retool the also-Amazon-exclusive ER Ratchet, released very shortly before the redeco into non-Amazon-exclusive SG Ratchet, when by your logic the Ratchet tooling (having originated at Amazon) would've also been Amazon-exclusive and so SG Ratchet shouldn't have been able to happen so soon.
     
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    Why is a 3 year old thread of the front page?
     
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    Hasbro stated:
    - new moulding released through a retailer gives that retailer ownership for a certain amount of time
    - not all contracts are the same enabling them to release some exclusive moulds much sooner than others


    Speculation:
    - the ER Ironhide mould was an exclusive they couldn't use, hence why Guard didn't come until almost two years later,
    - Hasbro made clear to Amazon they wanted to use the ER Ratchet mould, thus that contract was only for a short time explaining why we got a repaint quickly,
    - ER Dirge was again granted to Amazon for a long time,
    - but with Ramjet they made clear they wanted to use this mould themselves, so we got Sandstorm and G2 Ramjet (but not the G1 Ramjet that was part of the exclusive set),
    - Netflix Soundwave is a retool from Siege Soundwave: they can't/couldn't release the Netflix mould but they can release the Siege because of this difference in tooling. SG Soundwave is thanks to new headsculpt technically also different: it counts as a retool. Either the time limit for the netflix mould expired (but it was announced shortly after the Legacy version was released, so why not wait?) or the new tooling is enough to circumvent the exclusivity deal. This retooling to avoid a contract we've seen before in the past, most notoriously with the Botcon classic seekers set.
     
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    ...Look, another, bigger problem with these attempts to try to fill out the big gaps in our knowledge and try to establish from what little we know what the deal may or may not be with retailer-exclusivity for tooling outside of the Walmart deals that I haven't mentioned until now but I think are actually more important are: because of the big gaps in our knowledge, and the very nature of toy releases, we can use basically any bits of data to massively extrapolate any picture we feel like, and any evidence to the contrary can be explained away by inventing whatever specifics one feels like; all this despite the fact a long wait before a reuse of a mold may very well likely not have anything to do with exclusivity anyway. The Siege Springer mold wasn't under any kind of exclusivity deal, yet it took 3 damn years before it was reused at all. Sometimes Hasbro just doesn't feel like reusing a mold for a certain period of time, and that makes it really hard to try to say anything for certain in good faith. The only currently active exclusivity deal we seem to have any kind of decent picture of is the one with Walmart, where a mold is probably exclusive to the retailer for 2 years, and then the mold can be used anywhere Hasbro wants. As far as I'm aware there's no actual evidence that "retooling to avoid mold exclusivity" is something that still happens, since the evidence that it was a thing at all was with a convention company 15 years ago, and that's a significant enough gap in time and type of company relation that we can't apply that to current situations without actual recent evidence. The reason they didn't use the the Walmart mold for Legacy Soundwave is most likely cuz that thing was revealed mid-April 2022 (less than two years after the initial release of Walmart Soundwave), intended for release a few months later (ignoring the fact Current Events messed up the timing on that somewhat), while Shattered Glass Soundwave got to use the Walmart mold cuz it was revealed nearly half a year later right at the end of September 2022 (a bit over two years after the initial release of Walmart Soundwave), for release even later in the year.

    TL;DR: we need to stop wildly speculating about what exclusivity deals are with tooling for other retailers until we have literally any evidence specific to those retailers beyond merely the timing of the toy releases themselves, as that by itself doesn't mean anything and is only made meaningful with specific context.
     
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    Agreed, which brings me back to my original post. A post that clarified that the release of the SG Soundwave cannot be seen as (absolute) proof that Hasbro has gotten the rights back to the Netflix mould. There are other options and we simply don't know.
     
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    The Netflix cassettes also had different tooling compared to the ones used in SG, so maybe that also helped squeak through the exclusivity claim?
     
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