Wahlberg in Transformers 4 Plus new logo

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by MV95, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. Daimao

    Daimao Well-Known Member

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    I think you're the one who missed the point. ErbFan28 was arguing that Bay's career wasn't pathetic since he's rich as balls from all of his movies. No one was disputing the first part of Webz's sentence regarding the quality of his movies. Whether you like the movies or not Bay is successful at what he does.
     
  2. TylerMirage

    TylerMirage I vawnt my berdt.

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    That's pretty much how I read it. Erb was merely pointing out the fact that, while Bay's films aren't the best, they make money and he keeps making them. He has a lucrative career as a filmmaker and that can't be argued. Whether we like the results is irrelevant. You can still have a "successful career" as a teacher, despite some people who might consider it "stupid" or "pointless" or "boring".
     
  3. rusty26

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    Michael Bay is slowly destroying the Transformers legacy with his Bay formers ..
    those three movies were crap each one worst than the previous..
     
  4. Rayzilla Prime

    Rayzilla Prime I RIP ALL MY RAZE!

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    I saw a picture of Mark just a while ago, and he kinda looks like he'd fit in as an older Sam Witwicky. Just sayin'.

    Heck, just because Shia isn't coming back doesn't mean his character isn't.
     
  5. darthschroeder

    darthschroeder Macro-Con

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    Just going to throw this out there: I really do not like Michael Bay or his vision of the Transformers. Everytime I start to get into collecting the Transformers action figures, a new TF movie comes out and I have to suffer with crap movie figures. Now that this Trans"four"mers (there's a Bay-esque title for ya) has been announced, the cycle will repeat. Good for all yall that like this style of Transformers, but it's not for me. Enjoy your movie, though.
    Heh heh..... Transfourmers. Pretty funny. Sounds pretty Hollywood to me.

    Trans4mers 2013
     
  6. Bravemaximike

    Bravemaximike Road Warrior

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    Ha ha, TransFOURmers. Pure genius, dude.
    Also, I agree this is my biggest problem with the movies. I never bought any movie toys since 2007, I hate those things.
    At the same time I'll admit that I'd be happy if they just kept giving us CHUG figures. I'm biased.
     
  7. MV95

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    First of all- No he isn't.
    Secondly- You actually think DOTM is worse than ROTF???
     
  8. jgoss

    jgoss transformers fan 4 life

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    very cool that mark wahlberg is in tf4!
     
  9. webz

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    Ebay:
    First of all, Yes he is.

    Secondly, yes. Rosie is UGLY (lips look like she was stung by a bee), Megatron was totally impotent thru 99% of the film. Prime continues his psychotic murder spree, Wheeljack/Q was a freakin' ******, Mirage/Dino had barely more screen time than Jolt, Starscream's death was pathetic, Ironhide's death had zero impact on the autobots. NONE of the deaths had any impact.

    Instead of Starscream's seeker armada, we get cheap-looking alien proto-form pilots of dumb hoverpods. They are TRANS-FRIGGIN-FORMERS... WHY are they piloting hoverpods?

    We can have Lazerbeak, Ravage, insecticons, a giant worm, a giant scorpion... ALL animals... but no dinobots?

    So much of DOTM was a total letdown. ROTF's biggest error was it was way too long. They could have cut a good 20 minutes out of it (mostly the inbred twins, the love story, and the pretender chick) and it would have been a tighter film.
     
  10. optimusprime42

    optimusprime42 Autobot Leader

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    mark is replacing shia was on yahoo yesterday
     
  11. Ephland

    Ephland Let's Go Rangers

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    Michael Bay has strengthened the legacy to a greater degree than it has ever been.

    Each movie was an improvement upon the previous entry.
     
  12. MV95

    MV95 @marlinfan1995 Veteran

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    I know that it wasn't your only point, but you would hate a movie because an actress is (in your opinion) ugly? Seriously?
     
  13. jop

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    No, not really.

    You see, there are two ways in which to interpret the statement "[Michael Bay], make a decent film for once in your pathetic career" by webz.

    In the first interpretation, we take the first part of the sentence - "Make a decent film for once" - to be a criticism of the quality (or lack thereof) of Michael Bay's films; and the second part of the sentence to be a qualifier, indicating that said lack of quality extends across the span Michael Bay's entire career.

    In the second interpretation, we again take the first part of the sentence to be a criticism of the quality of Michael Bay's films. The second part, however, is instead perceived as an entirely new and different criticism; one of Michael Bay's success at the box office, or in some other financially-related fashion.

    The second interpretation fails Occam's Razor. It requires the second part of the sentence to be interpreted as a new criticism, when no such indication of a change in the author's intent exists. It also requires the author to be unaware of Michael Bay's success at the box office; given the high degree of coverage given toward just the success of the Transformers franchise (and the even higher degree of focus on said success with the fandom), this seems statistically unlikely.

    In short: at no point was Michael Bay's financial success in dispute.

    However, ErbFan28 brought it up regardless. This may be because he or she subscribed to the second, more unlikely interpretation above. Another possibility is that ErbFan28 sought to counter the original statement by whatever means necessary; and as it is very difficult to argue that Michael Bay's work is critically extolled, he or she chosen instead to purposefully misinterpret the original argument so as to provide a more justifiable counter-argument. (The infamous 'Straw Man' fallacy.)

    Don't get me wrong; the original comment is bombastic and overly sweeping. Regardless, words still have meaning; and we cannot go about redefining that meaning just because it is convenient to whatever agenda we aim to push.

    Absolutely; and if the original comment from webz had substituted the phrase "...Once in your financially pathetic career" or "...Once in your pathetic career at the box office", then we wouldn't be having this discussion. As it stands, ErbFan28's response was at best irrelevant, and at worst, intentionally fallacious.
     
  14. Sideways77

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    1- How so? Bay's movies have impacted many people and brough them into theworld of Transformers.

    2- Still more attractive than Megan.
    -So? Megs wasnt the big bad in ROTF and DOTM.
    -And? Atleast Movie Optimus has a creative personality unlike G1 Prime.
    -How was WHeeljack a ******?
    -It's a movie. They can't give everyone screentime.
    -Maybe to you. Many of us thought Scream's death suited him.
    -It didn't huh?

    3- Because those Protoform haven't scanned an Earth mode and have to use ships? Plus the ships were needed for an ariel assult on CHicago.

    4- Cry me a river

    5- It was? So everone thought it was a letdown?

    I swear these Bay haters have no good arguments.
     
  15. Sso02V

    Sso02V Injector Has a Posse

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    Because, as this evidently bears repeating, robots that are animals are not the same thing as robots that turn into animals.

    What does a 40 foot robot with a laser gun, a sword, and opposable thumbs have to gain by becoming a 30 foot robot that can bite things and can't wipe its own nose?
     
  16. Kimmer

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    Talk to me when they get a new director, new writers, and new bot designs. I could care less about a new lead actor. Yes, I like Wahlberg a heck of a lot more than Shia but as long as Bay is involved these movies will be absolutely horrendous.
     
  17. MV95

    MV95 @marlinfan1995 Veteran

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    Well, there are going to be new designs
     
  18. MpBlack

    MpBlack Dark Side Prime

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    awesome and very cool logo,
    seen from logo, is this a revival of the Decepticon