Except when someone uses another companies IP without permission the IP owner has not been paid for their work from the person using it. The company having profited off the IP from other avenues is completely irrelevant, so there is no difference. The only relevant dynamic is did the party that is owed for the use of their property or work get paid for it or did someone use their work and not pay for it?

 

Company with the IP is already making the money it would be making with or without the 3p, so I don’t give a shit. Everyone involved in creating it has been or is still being paid. Meanwhile having an agreement with someone to do a job and then just flat out not paying them is a different matter all together. You can try to pretend it’s the same, but it isn’t. You’d know the feeling if your employer suddenly flat out refused to pay you.

 

Won't anybody think of the itty bitty wittle corpoworashuns? :'(

 

Whether you give a shit or not is irrelevant. Your argument that the IP owner was already paid for their work as a differentiation is nonsensical because the only relevant payment is in regards to the unauthorized use by 3P, otherwise I can defend not paying a designer with the same argument — sure, this company did not pay the designer for this work but the designer has been paid for their work in other instances by other parties so the designer has been paid for being a designer just as an IP owner has been paid for owning their IP. That’s what your argument looks like when applied consistently to the designer… if my conclusion is asinine so is yours because the logic of the argument is flawed.

An agreement is only one aspect that dictates when a party is owed for their work but not the only aspect.

 

Dawg, at least two sets of designers had their work debut at VecTron. This is their only work. Robotnik appeared out of nowhere as a new designer company, as a collab with these guys. They have done only this work, and they are not being paid for this work.

Also again 3P doesn't ask for IP because in legal eyes they aren't making X character, only a character that resembles X character. Technically all these are their own entities with their own lore, names, and most importantly engineering. The 3P is stealing from HasTak argument is a nothing issue that is distracting from the issue of people need to be paid for their work to make ends meet. Literally everyone else in this business pays their people including KO stealers/modifiers. Why are these guys who can't deliver on any deadlines allowed to not deliver a wage to their hardest working individuals?

 

Are they still trying to push this scam?

 

The only instance of either being the same is if the IP holder asked the 3rd party company to make it and didn't pay them. Which isn't happening here. Otherwise, you are failing to realize that your example is in no way consistent to my point.

People for some reason can't grasp that Intellectual theft and actual theft are two completely different things and should be treated as such. An IP or idea being stolen or used does not remove anything, nothing was physically taken. however with what happened here, someone was told to do a job, they did it, and then in return for the time and work they spent/waisted were not compensated. Free labor is a different situation altogether. I have no clue why this is even an argument.

 

Season 3 should begin with the Vectron Lab founder making an account here

 

Can I get a larger role in Season 3?

 

What if he's already here?

 

Then he probably cries himself to sleep every night

 

good.

 

You could make a moral argument that Bob Budiansky deserves royalties from Hasbro for creating characters and lore that make the company millions each year.

If Hasbro's position is that the people that built the franchise in the 80's were fairly compensated for their work decades ago and aren't owed anything more, it's hard to get sore at those using the same argument to justify the existence of 3P.

 

Regardless of the other arguments, honestly he does. Bob Budiansky should never have to work again for how much the Transformers franchise owes him.

 

Rare footage of Vectron Labs founder checking this thread every day:

 

I can't believe how much arguing has been going on in this thread in the last few days without anyone mentioning large fingered gentleman with the face-bones overhead face cover.

But also Bob Budiansky (who pronounces his name Boo-diansky, in spite of how every youtuber pronounces it so they don't have to say the word 'booty') and Floro Dery both deserve millions of dollars and a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

 

Only if he signed a contract including royalties, if not, they owe him nothing. He got what he signed for.

In the 90's, the group 2-Unlimited signed a contract for a monthly wage, cause they weren't confident they would sell any major records, so going for royalties was too much risk for them.
Boy did they miss out when they went global...
They got their earned wage, and still to this day get nothing from royalties.

We can all say people deserve something, but we know jack sh!t about the contracts they signed.

 

And this is why they said "moral argument", because "deserving" in a moral sense is distinctively different from "contract signed".

 

This guy?

 

Changing names, creating new lore, creating unique engineering in no way shape or form negates the obvious use of another party’s character design. Theft of work and theft of property is still theft, you are simply being dishonestly selective in which you want to condemn for whatever agenda you have.