US Patent Office strips Washington Redskins of all Trademarks

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  1. 3.8TransAM

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    We did not say that. Merely misdirection is one of the oldest tactics in the book for anyone and anything.

    I have, everyone that I know. They don't care.

    No, much like the arguement about the "rebel" flag representing racism when in reality it does not. I'm still waiting to meet a single "offended" person. I interact with at least a hundred poeple a day at my job and not one thinks this is a relevant issue.

    I think we need to start a petition to get some user names changed here at tfw.:D 
     
  2. smkspy

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    Just a reminder, NO POLITICS.

    We're getting a little borderline, so let's knock it back a step or two before we have to close this.
     
  4. Dark Skull

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    Ummm...I guess that's a good point...even in sarcasm. But I always took his name as part TRANSformers fan and part Star Trek fan (trekkie). But what do I know. I ain't PC enough :tongue: 

    Those avatars are killing me. :D 
     
  5. Prowlimus Prime

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    As a Redskins fan, I'm just tired of the nonsense. I love the team, love the name. Ever since my dad sat me down to watch the Redskins shithouse the Bills in the '91 Super Bowl, I've been hooked. But I'm just sick of the distraction. And all those who think Dan Snyder gives two shits about losing $170m to apparel licensing, his team is worth $1.8 BILLION. Also, IF they change the name, I say change it to "Warriors" and tribute either the natives or the military. Leave the colors the same.

    EDIT: Scratch that, for whatever reason the 5 Native Americans are going to throw a shit fit about "Warriors" being in reference to them, tribute the military. The Native population is going to throw such a hissy fit about every sports team until no one even remembers they (natives) are around. It's sad that they were forced off their lands, it's even sadder they came up with a word to segregate themselves in conversation from the "white man", and it's the most ridiculous thing that the majority no longer rules in this nation.
     
  6. transtrekkie

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    For the most part I agree with you, I guess I was saying that since apparently there are now enough people offended by that it's now an issue means that the ones offended are the majority. I mean, if it was really just five guys pitching a fit, my position would be "fuck 'em". But if it's reached this level then it's obviously not just limited to those five people.

    Ok, so I did note the sarcasm there buuuuuuut that is the second time my username has come up in this thread (and it's now come up twice more since) so I guess I would have to ask if there is anyone who is actually offended by it?

    I've actually been thinking of changing it for a while now (like, years). This was my main online username for a long time but a few years ago I started using a different one and TFW is the only remaining site where it's still my username. Also, Seeker is correct: Transfan + Trekkie = Transtrekkie.

    Also, my best friend is transgender. Hehe, funny story: When he told me, I asked him if he was going to make the G1 transformation sound when he changes. I also suggested that we should take pics at each stage and make a G1 style instruction sheet with START-->CHANGE-->CHANGE-->CHANGE-->FINISH.
     
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    Exactly, the humility that these type of people lack really disappoints me. Like, they think America was better before the 50s when African Americans and other minorities had less than equal rights; African Americans and other minorities started to resist unjust laws forced upon them. Then, these complaints about how "America is going to shit" starts up by these arrogant people.

    Also, the polls/statistics and the Native Americans that are not offended doesn't not matter when it comes to this moral issue. The logic, within the reasoning, is what matters, because it's not subjective. So, stop with the "I'm not offended," "this national poll shows," "this native American isn't offended, so..." type of arguments. Morals are accepted as true if everyone agrees or the actions are parallel to the morals that exists in nature (both are objective).
     
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    This is the Confederate constitution. Please read this portion.

    To be blunt, I think its a damn shame that these Lost Causers didn't get the same treatment post-Civil War that the Nazis got after WW2. To espouse Nazi views in Germany today is illegal; it ought to be the same for Confederate apologists here in the United States.
     
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    Well, that's one of better false equivalencies I've ever seen.
     
  11. MetalicGrunt

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    I feel like I'm back at college again with all this talk of "social justice" etc and I'm the evil man because I don't share your view.

    Must be the hot button issue to jump on right now, to be offended for other people. Must be nice not to have any fights of your own worth fighting that effects you.
     
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    Just give them a boring name like Nationals or Senators and call it a day.
     
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    How so? Both were states that were founded upon strict racial hierarchies that the world is better off without. Sure, the Confederacy didn't practice genocide against the slave populations, but given the treatment of blacks post-civil war when they were even still being reined in by the US, whose to say what a South unrestrained by the Feds would do?
     
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    What, between white supremacists desiring to preserve the supposed purity of their race and Nazis?

    They likely did commit the crime of genocide towards black Americans. I mean, this is how it's defined under international law today:

    All attempts to keep black people enslaved certainly fall under any of these things.
     
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    I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Baltimore left Cleveland and took up a better name and better looking uniforms. They probably have 5x the popularity nationwide than they did when they were in Cleveland.
     
  16. MetalicGrunt

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    You just described the NAZIs to a t.

    The VAST majority of Sourtherns in the US COULDN"T afford slaves- this was based on the South's agro-economy, while the North's economy was based on industry.

    One of the main reasons the south broke away was because of how the Federal government was allocating money to the south, as well as the issue of state's right.

    Also if the South were only a bunch a white supremacists as you state, how come a signiciant number of free blacks fought for the south?

    Did blacks fight in combat for the Confederacy? | The Civil War Gazette

    Sons of Confederate Veterans spokesman said many blacks fought for the South | PolitiFact Georgia

    Black Confederates in the Civil War

    Also explain this, during the Civil War, England sided with the South. England by 1864 had outlawed Slavery - yet they were openly aligned with the South, giving weapons and supplies.

    Here's another one - the USS Constillation - in 1861 it was in Service off the Coast of Africa running anti-slave missions. When the Civil war broke out, the ship was half north / half south - completed their anti-slave mission before coming home in late 1861/early 1862

    Any more fallacies I can kill?
     
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    That's the point of that format. That's the whole idea with describing one thing that turns out to be the other thing. The Confederacy and the Nazis shared beliefs of white supremacy.

    That only the wealthiest white people actually owned slaves doesn't change that you needed all of society in on it for it to work. You needed a lot of white people to accept slavery. That white people subscribed to notions of racial supremacy and purity is inarguable or else all the white-only establishments, lynchings and other expressions of society-wide racism would never have happened. White people of all stripes benefited from black labour and the inability of black people to compete for the same jobs.


    Let's check what your first link says:

    Well then. I'm not sure what fallacy that is supposed to dispel but it aint any of mine.

    The South wasn't a competitor to England's industrialisation. Allying with a cotton producer was a nice boost to the textile industry. That the North had industry while the South had plantations is a big part of why they split. The North could afford the abolishment of slavery while the South couldn't. its economic system and culture, the Southern Way, needed slavery.

    The British Empire, by the way, wasn't exactly a champion for racial equality so who they chose to ally with doesn't indicate much in the way of morality.
     
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    Agreed, when we see that unlike the N word...we don't have city schools with teams calling themselves the N-----s we DO have Native American schools calling themselves the Redskins and in both surveys and in real life examples of people trying to learn more all evidence seems to point to it not being offensive by overwhelming numbers. Meanwhile we have the media stirring things up, because it's what they do, and lots of non Native Americans outraged on their behalf no matter if they want it or not. I mean, I love John Oliver, guys funny as heck, but he's Brittish...quite literally one of the least Native American people on the planet...yet he's outraged and campaigning for change, meanwhile my buddy Waylon (Native American, a friend of mine since preschool, and a huge Redskins fan) just shakes his head and worries that soon Native Americans will just be known for their casinos than for their herritage.
     
  19. transtrekkie

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    See that's why the "preserve the tradition" argument is bullshit, because teams change cities and mascots all the time so why is this one so sacred?

    Also, regardless of WHO is offended, the real question is how many people need to be offended by something before it gets changed? I think we're all agreed that if only one person is offended by something that one person can go screw themselves. But if a million people are offended then you might wanna change it. So somewhere between 1 and 1,000,000 is a magic number where it becomes necessary to acquiesce to the demands of those offended. Again, the real question here is, what is that number and has the Washington Redskins reached it?
     
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