Unpopular transformers opinions

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Smokeyoreo18, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. Novaburnhilde

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    Just correcting some misinformation I spotted while browsing: The term 'Cal Arts' has more or less become a term referring to the lack of diversity in regards to western animation these days, and how often the people who are hired to work on these shows all came from the same school of animation, which from what I've gathered doesn't seem to be that great at cultivating different / diverse art styles, in fact I believe there's a solid argument to be made that CalArts the school does more damage to up and coming artists than anything else.

    Yes, apparently John Kricfalusi allegedly had a hand in popularizing the term, and also yes he's been accused of some rather heinous things. Let's be clear on something, accused doesn't mean convicted. Congratulations, you watched a Rebeltaxi video and now you think you're an expert on this topic, but here's a word of advice: someone can do terrible things and still be right about something if they're right about it. I'm not gonna talk about whether I think he's guilty or not because that's not relevant to this discussion, the point is that just because he's been accused of things doesn't automatically make any of his observations or contributions to animation suddenly null and void.
     
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    Suboptimal Optimus There Is Such A Thing As Truth

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    Beside, here is the ultimate unpopular opinion I will restate: we know the pattern by now. Transformers will get a new show, it will be controversial and full of shit and/or very poorly written and, Primus help us all if they want to make it a direct sequel to Sunbow G1. People in the media will immediately defend it and all the oldschool fans who don't fall in line will be called you-know-what for not liking the show. If not the upcoming show then the one after or maybe even the Bumblebee sequel! Its the same fucking pattern, every single time a new incarnation of an '80 property is done in the late 2010/the 2020. They're going to do some dumb shit, they're going to make an awful show and the fandom will split itself. The creators of said show will post on Twitter and other social media how they are the 'victims' of the evil, 'bigoted old guard'. They will actively attack the fandom with unfounded accusations and any attempt to defend ourselves will only vindicate the people working on these shows. Multiple major TF-related figures such as once beloved voice actors will likely chip in to side with the people working on the show and attack the dissenting parts of the fanbase to get relevance again and social media creds, throwing the fandom under the fucking bus in the process. Anyone who was a long term fan but dislike the new incarnation will be essentially branded a heretic as people pat themselves on the back, saying how great it is now and how transformers is so much better now that it can be 'enjoyed by everyone' now that us evil toxic fans are gone, never mind how this narrative is completely fabricated and the only exclusion within the fandom, previously, was much more along the lines of people shitting on the fans of different shows/eras. Eventually all dissent about the show will be squashed.

    It will happen because its the inevitable fate of all '80 and '90 nostalgia brand shows. Its the end state of these brands. People will claim it as a 'victory' and how much they improved Transformers now that its not filled with evil, yucky older fans. Never mind that, outside of arguing about IDW and the writing/politics, there is no general animosity and generally no dreaded 'gatekeeping', a term which has been modified to basically mean a different thing. The ultimate irony the crater left behind will be applauded as a better, improved fandom when in reality it will be a homogenized wreck of hysterical fanboys and shippers. We've seen what happen to fanbases that degenerate into the whims of an angry shipping mo. I get it, we're a shitty fandom and have always been! "Trukk not munkkey" and "RUINED FOREVER!1!" are self parodying memes for a reason but there could be worse revisionist accusations thrown at us.

    Transformers will have its Teen Titan Go, its Thundercats Roar, its Netflix She-Ra, its Last Jedi or Star Trek Picard. It is simply an inevitability of mainstream brands to produce a new incarnation that will initiate the fandom self destruction. I know this post will get flak and I'm sure the very people who will hate on this post will be those brandishing the battle flag to purify the fandom when the show come out. Modern 'creators' not only cannot take any criticism, they will pre-emptively poison the well by accusing people of hating their show for completely unrelated reasons. You can call me a 'doomer', hell you can call me things even worse than that, as I know what some of my detractors will say given my past opinions but I know what is coming.

    This is my prediction, my portent of doom. Now then! Care to see if I'm right in a few months/years, assuming the post doesn't get deleted admins?
     
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    First off, :throw  I'm supposed to be the one offering up the most spicy unpopular hot takes.

    And two, as much as I try to avoid the topic on this site you're probably exactly on the money because this is a thing we've seen play out again and again ad nauseum and I see no reason why it won't repeat here. Honestly I think if it ever gets to that point (if it hasn't already) I'll probably just return to lurking on this site because I've grown pretty tired of that sort of shit in my other hobbies.

    The Transformers fandom evidently has issues and its own fair share of (synonym for toxic) people but if that number starts to play around here I think I'll just peace out. :lolol  Maybe.
     
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    I thought the Netflix show would be that moment but I guess its so boring people outside the fandom ignored it.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    By the way, I don't mean a show simply coming out and part of the fandom love it and part it. That's par for the course and the NORM for Transformers, we've been there since The Movie came out ffs! No what I mean is when the drama spills out of the message board and personal opinion, when it initiate this insane purity spiral of self destruction. Anyone who is honest know what I mean. When it happen, it will spill beyond just the crowd that likes it and the crowd that hates it. Once that sundering happen we will never return to the state we are currently in, which is saying something given we are already one of the whackiest and least likeable fandom around.
     
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    Must we count Kaye's performance? He's the one that was aiming for something REALLY DIFFERENT!
     
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    I think the reason why some people hate Animated and Prime is that the enjoyers of the show overrate it. Audiences may be disappointed when they realise that the show isn't as good as others make it out to be.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I mean, that's true of every single Western TF show and I'm saying that as a fan of Beast Wars, Animated and Prime! Yes all three are quite good. However they are not perfect and they might not suit the taste of some people. Same with Generation 1 too. That said, when those shows have their good moments they can be really good.
     
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    no offence, but this sorta rings hollow with the existence of bayformers, bayformers already fractured the fanbase significantly and things got even more intense with bayformers splitting up with the movie reboot. Like seriously, nothing today can be worse than any of the bayformers shit

    Are you actively denying the excessive toxicity in the fandoms of star wars or teen titans or star trek? I mean lets not act as if the star wars fandom was ever this pure beacon of peace and tranquility when they almost bullied multiple people into suicide like the actor of jar jar or how they actively and happily forced people of social platforms while openly parading and celebrating doing what they did. Im all for creators and writers snapping back at entitled shit lords who think their opinions are somehow worth leaving their brains through their mouths. Even the chill star wars fans and content creators have called out the toxicity that is VERY rampant in its community, theres a reason why the saying "no one hates star wars more than star wars fans" will never age poorly.

    And this aint some Alt right vs left bullshit as for example with the new loki show, the marvel stans (teenage white girls) attacked the writers and directors because of a ship that did not happen and now theyre spreading misinformation on tik tok. Creators should and happily snap back against bull shit because you people dont treat them as human beings with the capacity for feelings, thinking, or self worth, that theyre mindless robots that will do what ever corporate demands from them.

    I dont hate posts, after all this is a place for unpopular opinions, but if youre gonna label me as a woke whiteknight then youre doing the exact thing that you accuse the creators and defenders of "doing".

    Overall this is a luke warm take thats been consistently used to trash on anything slightly progressive so.....meh
     
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    I was thinking about chiming in and throwing in my two cents, but after reading this, yeah I'd rather not. I'd have better luck going outside and throwing two pennies at the trees in my backyard.

    Um, I've seen and been in the Star Wars fandom. My experience with the Transformers fandom is not even close, so that I'll say is very false.

    Comparing the two, I'm far more comfortable being with the Transformers fandom than I am the other. The difference between them is astronomical.
     
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    I'm neutral on this.
     
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    How can something be alleged when he himself publicly apologized for it on his facebook??
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    I dont even know who the hell Rebeltaxi is considering I actually looked into this god damn topic so i know im more qualified to talk on this subject than you, I dont bring up bullshit accusations for the fun of it.

    The term cal arts style is still dumb as hell when most of the people that were accused of the cal arts style didnt even go to cal arts in the first place like Rebecca sugar or Daron Nefcy. I cant comment on whether calarts has been detrimental to stylistic animation because I dont go there and neither do you, while yes those who came out of the character animation department have similar styles, there are other reasons as to why a show looks a certain why, like network interference and brand unity, the very thing we are facing in transformers right now. There are plenty of animators with original styles for their shows that came from Cal arts. I dont like cal arts primarily because of how detrimental they are towards the feild where alot of people my age think that they NEED to go there to get a job in the industry.

    Honeslty have you looked into the history of John K? Like how he got kicked out of cal arts or his problematic behavior on the ren and stimpy show?
     
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    it sucks when creators snap back , but god people can be so viscous and nasty that im surprised alot of creators can put up with it without frying their brains.
     
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    As long as it ain't the "you go make something" response, Im good.
     
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    People still arguing over stupid shit? Yup, this is the modern unpopular opinions thread alright.

    Optimus Prime would look pretty good with red eyes like the powermaster toy, and G1 Galvatron's alternate mode is stupid in every way, being one of if not the most impractical alt mode in the entire franchise.
     
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    agreed
     
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