Unpopular transformers opinions

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Smokeyoreo18, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. Bee427

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    Okay, this is one of the dumbest sentences I've ever read on TFW2005. Maybe people like "terrorist revolutionary Megatron" because we're living through major societal changes and they want that reflected in the media they consume. Maybe it's because they like a villain that isn't just "wahahaha I'm eeeevil" all the time. It's not unreasonable for people to want more 3-dimensional characters because it makes a story more interesting. If you want 1-dimensional villains, go watch G1 again. What's with your fixation on judging people because of what they like in fiction?
    By the way, why'd your last post get deleted? Was it because it skewed too close to political content? If so, then you may want to take the hint and move to a new subject.
     
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    Rewind Eject Still no war in Ba Sing Se

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    Look, I'm about as consistently far from a "Decepticon sympathizer" as you can get on these boards so please take it to heart when I say you aren't doing your position any favors.
     
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    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

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    Are there really enough LARPers out there to constitute "People" in this statement? I mean, I like a revolutionary Megatron because he's more interesting, and I've never had any desire whatsoever to role-play anything other than a video game.
     
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    I did not say that liking those stories was childish.

    I said they were not to my taste. That's a different thing entirely.
     
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    Meanwhile I love Dreamwidth RP (and haha, I do play a Megatron there) but I also have asthma, am allergic to large amounts of nature (pine trees particularly), and don't particularly fancy having to go outside to play in an RPG.
     
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  8. Zentropy

    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

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    I think maybe I'm of a generation before role-play was a popular thing, because it doesn't sound appealing to me at all. I like it in video games, but I have difficulty acting like anything but myself.
     
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    Rewind Eject Still no war in Ba Sing Se

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    I will admit to reading into things but the repeated use of 'wanting more nuance ' to represent your side of the argument and painting the other as wanting "bwahaha! I like blowing stuff up because I'm evil" seemed to me like you like the fiction you do because it was more mature or realistic or whatever word you prefer here. I apologize if I mischaracterized you.

    As an addendum, you seem to be a new member and would you like to learn how to use Multiquote?
     
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    If it's a generational difference I'm not sure it's in the direction you're thinking.

    I was 20 when G1 came out and never got into video games. <3

    But I had been playing D&D and Traveller, which were tabletop pen and pencil RP games, since I was 16. In 1980.
     
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    Both points taken, sorry about all the posts. It's mostly however because other people post while I'm posting, but sorry for the annoyance anyway!
     
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    Rewind Eject Still no war in Ba Sing Se

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    It's cool. I was the new guy figuring things out once and just thought you might need help.
     
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    'The villains of today'? That's an... interesting statement. Evil does exists, the Decepticons tend to be evil, way moreso than the Functionists. Nothing they do compares to what Megatron and his side does.

    IDW's really tainted some peoples view of the Decepticons, or they struggle with the fact that just because a character's motivations are sympathetic or understandable doesn't excuse their actions. They could have the best excuse in the universe to radicalize and start killing people, but once they do they automatically become just as bad as or worse than their oppressors. Simple as that.

    A good fictional example would be the Vox Poppuli from Bioshock Infinite. That game is overrated trash with painfully dumbed down, mind numbing gameplay and a nonsensical story but one thing it got quite right was the portrayal of these oppressed, segregated people becoming violent revolutionaries. Despite their sympathetic and understandable motives, they arguably become just as bad as (if not worse than) Father Comstock and his men. It's fucked up but no tragic backstory gives anyone the right to hurt other people, especially those who have nothing to do with their crusade, and once they do they've crossed a line, they've passed the event horizon and have changed from someone to help to someone who needs to be stopped.

    Revolutionary Megatron is a great concept, Autobot Megatron is, was, and always will be a shitty idea that goes against his character.

    Given how I've seen the kinds of people he's referring to I'm gonna say... nah, I'd argue it's a vocal minority but they do exist. The kinds of folks who unironically walk around with Che Guevara merchandise, or own something with a hammer and sickle on it.
     
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    I guess I exclude D&D and video games from the "role playing" to which I was referring. I meant more of the dress-up-and-act-out sort of role playing. I've never done that, nor have I even known anyone of my age that has (I was 10 at the start of G1).
     
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    Thank you and I'll keep that in mind in case I do later! I was on a different board with Muitiquote once. I will confess that I am very bad at using it in fast paced discussions.

    Also a note with respect to the term 'childish'...I think it might be the ultimate in irony for me to call anyone childish when we're on a message board for grown women, men and nonbinary folks who collect and play with toys. I do think that there is not a lot of nuance in some archetypal good vs evil stories, but that is kind of the whole idea behind some of those stories. And it's a matter of taste. Some people really do like villains that just want to break stuff. I think it is OK for them to want that, but it's not what I want.

    The closest thing I've ever done to that was that I used to be in the SCA, Markland, KAG and Starfleet, over 20 years ago.

    I haven't done LARPing. Dreamwidth is a journalling site and there are roleplay communities on it. So when I say I'm roleplaying Megatron on there (and I am, in a panfandom group called Nexus Crossings with characters from many universes interacting) the other players are writing a sort of story together and I'm writing his bits of the story from his point of view.

    How much of IDW1 have you actually read? I'm curious, because there you eventually get to see what the Functionists would have done if Megatron had never lived. It is extremely horrific. The Functionists even in the main universe thought nothing of using brainwashing and maiming on people at the highest levels of society to enforce their will and literally junking or destroying people at the lower levels of society. I think they're absolutely terrifying.

    Megatron has done a lot of terrible things, but I think that compared to the Functionist Council, he's the lesser evil. YMMV, and that's okay. They're fictional characters, and the way you respond to fictional characters always has a lot to do with your personal history and what they evoke in your mind.

    Growing up in an era in which it was much less acceptable to be "different" than it is today, I find the Functionists to be kind of the robot version of my worst teenage nightmares.

    I think the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence might disagree with that. I'm not ready to say that as soon as members of a revolutionary movement kill even one person they're all irredeemable. I'm not okay with the number of people Megatron ended up killing -- that was a lot of blue flowers. But I think there probably was a point at which he could have course-corrected.

    It's also fiction, so it doesn't matter. Whatever either of us thinks about him isn't nearly as important as whether or not we vote in elections. That he is not running in. :) 

    Che Guevara is a beloved hero even today in Cuba. Obviously the people who left Cuba because of the revolution would disagree with that but there are obviously two sides to this story. (I know very little about him, but I enjoyed The Motorcycle Diaries. I don't own his T-shirt.)

    This is getting off topic; I think the thing that bothers me the most about this discussion is that people are assuming the worst of other humans simply because they happen to like a fictional character, or wear a t-shirt with somebody's picture on it.
     
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    Man I thought this thread was getting dull when posts were getting to the level of "I kinda like this one particular movie prime" moment. Bravo for rustling so many jimmy's and a bonus point for getting a reply that starts with a boarder line personal attack. Chefs kiss.

    myself? I think every Megatron is in some way the leader of a rebellion. Some times is a coup others a revolution. Really I don't care, it always devolves into a civil war but I think coups give cons a better start in regards to explaining why so many Decepticons are out the gate very powerful and fully willing to fight. Being raised from the military and from those that seek to gain from their rule you don't really need to explain why Megatron has a cannon, why so many have combat specialisations etc. Revolution origins can work I think it requires a lot of work to just lay down the ground work to establish something similar to the normal status que.

    I think that was one of the subtle things G1 did is the bios is that most Autobots were civil engineers or people who just had a non-combat trait who turned their skills to war while the Decepticons are normally described by a combat role.

    Also I want to say it was DW or maybe I'm mashing stories together in my memories but I liked the idea that Megatron went to war to defend cybertron basically built the Decepticons almost by accident from being such a good combat leader and surrounding himself with the best men for the job and after what was a successful crusade returns to cybertron and is just disappointed by what it's become and decides with his unrivalled skills in logistics, leadership, problem solving he can turn cybertron into something truly worth fighting for.... other people be damned.
     
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    so many colour errors I'm surprised we've not seen any of those from 3p's or as Hasbro Pulse toys. I'd be down for a construticon green/purple Shockwave (light wave, Gamma ray) and an Onslaught coloured seeker.
     
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    Already got him and I'll give you that it's deffo got green with that arm and chest detailing (and I want to say the solar panels are like reflective goldy-green) but I need like Seige or maybe Newage/MC with what I think's Hooks colours.
     
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