Unpopular transformers opinions

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  1. PrimeSlave

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    Since Unicron Trilogy appreciation has become more and more "mainstream" over the recent years, I wouldn't call this extremely unpopular anymore, but this seems like a proper thread to throw these separate thoughts and statements around. So um, I still think that Energon has one of the best premises for Transformers cartoons. Obviously, the plot does take missteps soon enough, but the overall story premise with the mystery of Alpha Q, rumours around Megatron/Galvatron still being alive affecting the fragile allience... There's a lot of great elements in it, with a nice continuity from the end of Armada, which "Unicron Battles" section was probably the most well-written portion of the show anyway. The returning cast and their characterization, namely Demolishor, Hot Shot and Optimus Prime mixed well with the new cast. Or it would have done so, if the writing didn't drop most of the good elements along the way. I liked how Demolishor was given more depth than in Armada and used rather well to give insight to the "Transformers United" theme. It was cool to see more mature Hot Shot and they had a few things that could've given Optimus more of a character arc as well, but that didn't come across too well, as the focus landed on LOOK WHO I CAN COMBINE WITH! gimmicks.

    Bringing Starscream back as a mere slave to Megatron's will, as a symbolic punishment for his unreliability during Armada (which made him one of the best incarnations of the character!) would have been a tragic and relatively good way to excuse his "downgrade" from the Armada version, but the show didn't really touch that matter, unfortunately. Overall, it was very inconsistent on what to pick up from Armada. I mean, it did that rather extensively with, say, Demolishor and few other things and then left some other, very clear connections totally untouched.

    It would be interesting to see Armada & Energon Cartoons remade as a two-seson run, with totally revised writing, animation and whatnot. As far as Transformers cartoons go, the story itself is rather good - for a toy commercial anyway!


    Ahhh... I'm planning on revisiting this thing in form of a essay or whatever!

    I came here after a year or so and this is what I see...

    Alright, alright... :p  Seriously, I totally get that and while Furman is responsible for most things I love in Transformers mythos, he's done a few "cringe" things too. Points for occasional quirkiness though, but he has also misfired with it every now and then...
     
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    Kup is one of the worst transformers names ever. His name as should be maxion or something.
     
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    Maybe "Kup" is just his "nick-name" and his full name is something like "Kupasensious HardHammer".. :p 
     
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    "Rodimus" sounds kind of stupid too
     
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    Magnum Dongus Wishing for a reboot

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    The Roman Empire1977 I succeeded where Megatron failed

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    A normie friend once commented " maybe the males have a cable head, and the females have an outlet." I've been scarred since.
     
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    The answer to this question is always "because we're all shitty humans each doing our best in our own ways, and forgiving feels good and is better for everyone in the long-run"

    I can't disagree. I really want to like it enough to watch it for the sake of "catching up", but if I'm being truthful, Beast Wars is unwatchable and the G1 cartoon has its fair share of problems, too.

    But man, these toys are great!
     
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    with the exception of Lioconvoy,Scuba,The Jointrons, and The Seacons, BWII is ass
     
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  13. Zentropy

    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

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    I wouldn’t even waste a thought on Beast Wars except for the fact that it had so much potential. I tried to watch it. I really tried to like it. If it were only the bad animation, I might give it a pass. Well, maybe. It just seems that half-assed computer animation would have been more successful rendering mechanical alts than organic ones. It’s hard to view that as anything but a bad decision from the start.
    Regardless, the series’ list of cons is a tsunami compare to the teaspoon of pros. I know people like it and I’m glad for them, but I don’t even think of it as part of the brand.
     
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    The 3d models might be pretty dated, but the animation itself, i.e. the fluidity and expressiveness of their movement, was pretty damn good. Season one had some awkward battle choreography here and there, but it got really good as time went on. I mean, look at this scene:



    Now that's some impressive character acting, not even some of the 2d TF shows have animation this emotive (and this is coming form somone who vastly prefers hand drawn animation over computer generated). I've seen CGI animated shows from 5-10 years ago where the movement is a lot more stiff and awkward, like that Garfield show from a while ago. Hell, I'd say both BW still looks a lot better overall than Energon or Cybertron. The models in the latter two might have a higher polygon count or higher definition textures, but they also act so lifeless and unexpressive you forget they're supposed to be super robot lifeforms.


    I mean, your friend wasn't THAT far off:

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    As for my probably unpopular opinions:

    I'm pretty fine with whatever TF show's characters we get next in Generations as long as they result in cool toys (and manage to at least maintain the quality of WfC), but while lots of people like to rag on how overly simplistic and hokey G1 designs are, many of the UT guys look pretty goofy too, and could definitely use some improvement. I'm not saying they need a complete, radical makeover, especially most of them haven't received a new figure in ages, but something like how much cooler some of the Siege figures looked compared to their Sunbow counterparts while still being very show accurate could do a lot of them wonders. For instance, I'd love to see Armada Hotshot be given the Siege Springer treatment and make him be less bulbous compared to his TV appearance, and many of the Energon guys like Ironhide or Rodimus could use some better proportions.

    Also, IMO much of the WfC guys aren't too G1 accurate, I'd say most of them look better than the chaaracters ever did. I get it, some like ER Grapple and Kingdom Warpath come real close, but to me most of Siege, a good chuck of ER and even some Kingdom guys like Cyclonus or Huffer hit that "G1 but cooler" vibe. I'd be singing a different tune if they looked like those RED figures, but to me saying someone like ER Prime is accurate to Floro Derry's design to a fault is like saying they can't see the difference between a drawing of Spider-Man by Ross Andru and one drawn by Todd McFarlane.
     
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  15. Zentropy

    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

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    That's a fair point. I admittedly only watched Season 1, so I'd never seen that clip, and the frame rate and motion paths are definitely improved. Unfortunately it has Waspinator in it, though. Any scene with Waspinator or Rattrap was unbearable for me-- I usually fast-forwarded until they were gone.

    The scene also has that typical "campiness" that I disliked about the series in general. It's not Barney-the-Dinosaur bad, but it's difficult for me to suffer through. It was moments like when Megatron was brushing his dino teeth or sitting in a hot tub (am I remembering that correctly-- did those things actually happen?) that made me want to close the video and be done with it altogether, but I had made a mental commitment to give it a chance.

    Honestly, I really don't like to bash on Beast Wars because I know it has a strong following. It's just really not for me.
     
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    I can respect that. Don't sweat it, I also couldn't get into Till All Are One, and many regard that as the best series in IDW after MTMTE and the Wreckers trilogy. I mostly enjoy the campiness in G1 and BW, it has a sort of charm to it you don't really find in the attempts at humor in many later Japanese TF shows. To me the lowest point of BW I can think of right now was the one where Rhinox farts the Predacons into oblivion, which is weird since usually I don't mind me some grossout humor.
     
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    Very well put, imo. Beast Wars is admittedly pretty dated, but I'd say it still holds up very well, especially the second and third seasons.
    Listen, I could go on for hours about the hypothetical logistics of Transformer sexytimes, but... not on this website.
    ...Is it bad that I thought that episode was hilarious?
     
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    Not at all, humor can be so incredibly subjective, sometimes I even can't explain why I find something funny, while something seemingly similar leaves my funny bone buried underground, abandoned and forgotten. I really don't have a place criticizing the lubrication scene from the 2007 movie when my juvenile ass enters a laughing fit just from Optimus saying "boobies".
     
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    Cardion A Knock Off The Old Block

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    Cyberverse is better than Animated.
     
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    scuffed up rts bumblebee dont reach for the stars youll burn up and die

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    TIL optimus said that
     
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