I never talked about Wreckers, I was talking about human rifles. And I never said bullets hit the same spot but if Shockwave wasn't bulletproof, some of the bullets should have at least left a mark right? Yet they richoteched off of Shockwave several times, leaving not even a dent unlike Sentinel Prime's armor, which was dented in the soldier's first try. Which means Shockwave's armor is thicker.
Yea, but that's an unfair comparison. The movie Transformers aren't nearly as powerful as their comic versions. Not even close.
Yes it was. Bay did away with the armed forces angle thank goodness. TF1-3 were nauseating at times. Yes we get it. You're an American director who respects the USA military. I understand that OP Transformers might be the other side of that scale but surely that's why there are two factions here?
I'm glad this thread is back. Looking back at it all, it's funny how transformers withstand crash landings, from unimaginable speeds, but fall apart with human weapons.
I like the part where you apparently forget that their space-pod alt. modes broke up in re-entry as well. >_>
But nothing was broken apart when we saw one of the pods transform back to robot mode. The character was in one piece.
It's about the size of the impact. Crash landing distributes it across the whole body, while being shot is a localized impact.
One piece that was specialized for re-entry and space travel. They didn't even leave that big an impact site, given their mass and the speed they would have impacted at, so they must have significantly reduced their kinetic energy during re-entry.
Movie physics. There are times when the physics in a Roadrunner cartoon is closer to real world physics than the Transformers movies. When they want the robots to do the superhero bit of crush the concrete they are super heavy but when it's time to monkey bar under a bridge or flip around like ninjas they weight shift to something super light. But what do you expect out of a series that couldn't even stick to a decision on space ships or not? At first it's no space ships, space ships are stupid robots will store enough fuel and have enough shielding to fly from Cybertron to Earth without space ships. A few movie later and it's space ships everywhere. Then Age of Extinction moves from space ships to Prime can just fly off like Superman if Superman didn't have to breathe.
1. You're erroneously suggesting that there's no difference between jamming a the complete weight of at least an entire big rig truck into asphalt over the surface area if a couple feet at high speed and the ability of a bridge to support the weight of that same truck. 2. Even real-world trucks can flip themselves and they're not even athletic alien robots. 3. You're drawing upon the logic of behind-the-scenes discussion about Transformers and transportation yet there is nothing in the film itself that suggests spaceships are irrelevant to Transformers it which is contradicted by their use in later films. 4. Optimus didn't have his knight-upgrade boosters beforehand, he is very clearly shown deflecting the friction of attaining escape velocity with his shield, and Superman is shown essentially not needing to breathe in space in numerous iterations of his character.
Yesterday, I watched the Blackout scene again in 1440p. It seems like I might be wrong when I said bullets pierced Blackout's hide, I'm not sure. Some bullets even hit the glass too, yet it left no mark at all. Just wanted to say.
What if humans blend Cybertronian technology and their technology to create weapons could affect Transformers ?
It's baffling how little writing flaws people actually bring up and how they demand the movies follow their logic yet ignore actual logic. For example optimus killing decepticons with one blow is actually logical after all give humans a weapon and we can kill each other with one well placed blow, why wouldn't this apply to the TFs. In real war two soldiers don't exchange blows for five minutes they fight for about thirty seconds or less until one gets the kill. Bumblebee vs Soundwave is how combat in war works it's not a prolonged fight. If human weaponry can damage a decepticon then a well placed shot or stab from an Autobot should kill them. One well placed shot or stab is all they should need they're not superhuman to each other; if a human can snap another human's arm then a TF should be able to do the same in each other. When fighting each other they're humans so anything they do to each other will effect them like it would if they were humans. This is basic logic. Like pretty much everything else that is said here the military complaint is absurdly exaggerated they are given one or two moments to shine each movie usually in the climax that's it. Scorponok, killing blackout, previous cargo, wing suiting into the city and it's our fight now. That's it those are all the scenes they shine in. It adds up to what 10 minutes of each movie. Remove those scenes and all of sudden the military has nothing. That's not just focusing on the military and nothing else that's making them relevant their presence should matter it would disrespectful if it didn't and it would be pointless to have an alliance. It's always the same thing here letting a few small things negate everything else. Every single little thing someone doesn't like is blown out of proportion and exaggerated to absurd levels. The military get all the focus, the humans personal problems take up the whole movie, the robots get no focus, it's just action and explosions no story, the villains don't do anything and aren't any threat. It's one ridiculous exaggeration after another, that's all you ever find here, someone finds something they don't like and then they exaggerate it and exaggerate it and every flaw and every little thing that is wrong is exaggerated and exaggerated again and again until it that absurdly exaggerated issue negates everything else. The military complaint is just another of the endless examples which is even worse since there is a clear explanation to it.
Give me a rock solid start to finish Transformers movie and the nitpicking will go away. We're yet to get one. If you think the military focus in TF1 is 10 minutes I think you need to rewatch it. It's a large chunk of the movie. The plots are a mess and even more so when compared side by side. The plots in TF1-3 directly contradict one another despite their apparent end games being planning in tandem. The villains have been poorly developed in the TF movies except AoE. Again when you deliver poor movies they get picked apart. People are more forgiving of good movies with issues.
1 - Megatron wants the allspark to re-purpose all tech to create a new army 2 - The Fallen wants to use an energy harvester to convert the sun into energy 3 - Megatron and Sentinel Prime want to use to use the space bridge tech to bring Cybertron into Earth's proximity. If 2 succeeds, 3 cannot. If 1 succeeds, 2 cannot. If 3 succeeds, 2 cannot. Yet these plans have all been concocted a long time ago. Just messy basically.