Transformers "Raiden" Project

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by chchchch, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Liampope

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    Pretty much just N and HO, which is why this is wierd. The most likely solution would have been HOj for the not-bullet trains - i.e. make those guys larger 1:80 scale and slightly fudge their wheels onto HO track. That seems the common model solution in Japan and would have had the added benefit here of making the bot and combined mode engineering simpler with the trains all closer in size.

    But seems they might be going HOn3.5, i.e. keep them all to scale - 1:87 - and the not-bullet trains run on 12mm gauge track instead of HO 16.5mm. But that seems super uncommon. Will be interesting to try and accurately measure the gauge of Getsuei's track from the CAD and see if it's 12mm.
     
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    12mm track (TT gauge) works very well for "pretty darn close in all aspects" HO-scale models of Cape-gauge equipment. But as above----that's not at all what Tomy has ever done before AFAIK, and not very common in Japan regardless of manufacturer. (I think it's more common among Oceania modelers----Aus/NZ have a good amount of Cape-gauge tracks)
     
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    Alright I gotta jump in on this,first TT Masterpiece combiner and I want in plus it's just too neat. Cheapest joints to preorder these two? Links? Thanks!
     
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    If this is really Kaen I don't understand what TT is doing here. They take the smallest train there, and...make it even smaller? Is there anyone here super knowledgeable about Japanese diesels that can confirm whether or not it's Kaen? He looks too short and stubby for it, though
     

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    Jesus you guys. That’s not a transformer behind Getsuei in the pic. It’s not even a model DE10. It’s close but it’s not the right model train. Look at the EF65 to the left of Shouki. It’s tiny. The two robots are the only robots here ya dinks. Everything else is N gauge. Those little trains are half the size of the trainbots.
     
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    I want to say it's a SD-style loco, very similar to Bandai's "B Shorty" toy trains, but not exactly that because they wouldn't use a competitor's toys. But I can't really find an equivalent Takara-Tomy line, nor an exact match from any company.
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    Accurate or not, some interesting images from one of the many discussion threads on China's TF tieba about Raiden's combined height.

    Quite a nice mock up of the combined mode. I'd be happy if it turned out close to this.

    One thing about MPG Raiden's torso I'm not a fan of is the backpack sitting high up and visible from the front. Kind of like Sunstreaker's backpack.

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    Think @Liampope estimate was 13 and some change. If Shouki is 3.5 and a leg is 7 in long, pretty plausible you could get the rest from Kaen and the head.
     
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    That's my guess too, 13 to the top of the helmet + antennae tips.

    Something around this? (Real life vs MPs)

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    Getting a beefy bot taller than a carbot from that train is gonna be tricky.
     
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    That thing on the tracks I'm pretty certain is a Tomix DC51...

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    A little baby train - definitely not Kaen. From what I can gather it's not even a real train - that set is a kinda 'my first diesel locomotive train set' made in the style of the much bigger DE10 (Kaen) and even bigger DD51. It's N gauge too.
     
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    Did someone already posted the artwork image?
     
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    Yeah this style is what I want for Railspike so bad... it has industrial power not 'shining speedy train'
     
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    It's a good thing TakaraTomy's stubborn insistence on alt mode scale won't be carried through with the other combiner teams... I hope.

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    Imagine not being in scale with yourself


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    Doubtful. TT doesn't even tend to care about alt-mode scale between other MPs.

    It's just that their primary target audience is really, really into trains.
     
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    Considering how Kaen doesn't form the thighs of Raiden, it's vaguely possible that Takara may slightly modify the way combiners work to keep alt mode scale consistent between the team. However, it's probably because model trains and the Honda City are more popular than Raiden and Skids, leading to Takara focusing on the alt mode.
     
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    Well, Raiden has not love at all by Takara until now (no reissues, no new models, nothing), we can call this totally a character reboot.
    They keep their promise to maintain robot scale consistent, and they stick in train model fanbase to made the product more desiderable between transformers fan and trains fan (japanese ones).
    Other combiners have not this kind of restrictions.
     
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    With everyone being the same basic vehicle type I.E. train it is a lot easier to keep them in realistic scale in alt mode and make it work. Obviously, they aren't going to be able to do that with say Bruticus, but they can certainly do it here.