Transformers "Raiden" Project

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by chchchch, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Onilink

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    With proper feet, extended cars in limbs and proper body mass, could be at least one head shorter than Devastator.
     
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    Why would Menasor be so tall with 4 deluxes and a Commander that is more likely to follow Rodimus Prime than anything else? The most obvious and probably only (if you look at the trend set by Hot Rod and Rodimus) reason Motormaster is a Commander is for the engineering. I’m not gonna say that Menasor is gonna be CW combiner size but I see no reason to think he’s going to be significantly bigger either.

    Back to Raiden: The 'combiner size = result of individual robot mode scaling' approach is where it’s at for me. Sure the trains are not going to scale with the cars and planes, but I’d say Shouki’s train - at 29cm long - will still look impressive on a shelf. But ofcourse that’s my preference (like for me Zeta’s oversized Trainbots just look silly).
     
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    Yep but you forgot the transforming trailer
     
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    You think I did no consider that? I knew from the beginning that was going to be the case. Doesn’t change anything.
     
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    I honestly think Motormaster will fold out limbs and the other Stunticons will just attach to those limbs like armor ala the cartoon. That said, the regular robot mode would then be a pretty "thic boi". But I think that will be the compromise that Hasbro will be willing to make as most of us will display him in Menasor mode.
     
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    I'm still getting this, but this is honestly more a Generations Raiden combiner team at this point.
     
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    If going by size alone, I can see your point (along with others that have expressed a similar sentiment). But size alone does not dictate an MP to me. It's about the design and details. And according to those, these are certainly MPs from what has been shown so far.
     
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    Eh…they’re highly detailed Generations figures IMO. Still great nonetheless but I would hesitate in calling these MPs as the line is today. That’s a meant to be a compliment, too. The MP line became too hyper-focused on toon accuracy to the point where I’m concerned about their long-term durability. Paint chipping at points of stress/friction during transformation is a major no-no for me, too.

    MPs are also (these days) more or less consistent in scale. Raider throws that out the window if he’s only 11 inches tall

    If Shouki is a good indication of the rest of the team, they will for sure be in my Generations collection. CHUG is where the party’s at for this collector.
     
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    So you think that a truck + trailer, maybe a little shorter than Optimus prime, could collapse in a voyager like robot and form also the body of Menasor, all in a Commander price point?

    Or, another case, that the truck form Motormaster, the trailer transform in part of the Menasor body, and the total mass is similar to the CW Motormaster?
     
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    I don’t think they’re gonna try and pull off what Fansproject did back then, but I could see a voyager-ish Motormaster cab with a Leader class trailer that transforms into the Menasor skeleton.

    If you are skeptical about the feasibility (budgetwise) of that option, I can’t blame you. I myself had hoped that the limbs would receive the Voyager class treatment to enable sleeker and taller robot modes. Wishful thinking ofcourse, cause that would push the grand total of the set well over $210 (no way Hasbro would go that far).
     
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    The only reason I disagree is because of how faithful this class has been trying to function as to either the toy or the cartoon. Traditionally, the cab becomes Motormaster's feet and the body is made out of the trailer. That's going to be hard to pull off if you're making him a tall voyager in robot mode but I also don't see Hasbro shying away from the challenge either. I'm sure there will be some faux parts to pull it off...but I'm fully anticipating thicc boi Motormaster (like, folding in half almost with the cab collapsing down to form smaller feet) transforming into a thinner Menasor skeleton.

    Making the cab Motormaster and his trailer be the skeleton might be the path they go down. But that feels a little like a cop-out and a little bit of a step backwards to Combiner Wars...at least to me.
     
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    Yeah well the soft reboot of WFC is making everything more accurate to their source materials (anything pre-Prime anyway) and the cartoon design of Menasor doesn't exactly leave a lot of options.
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    Does make me wonder how Takara would do an MP scaled (or possibly MPG scaled) Menasor.
     
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    I can't say I feel confident enough in arguing for one over the other (my first thought is that that route belongs to Masterpiece) but I didn't consider that the G1 toy did that too. So you might be right. That would be my preference for sure (I've got enough trucks where the trailer forms the body). Provided that Motormaster doesn't turn out too compromised. But it may also depend on the team's vision on sticking to (transformation) accuracy for the next trilogy.
     
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    Bring minimal Partsforming would win out, Motomaster would come from the cab and the trailer would be the body for menasor. Everything would be integrated in the trailer and at 12-15 inches they could go full binaltech/ alternator on the cars since they wouldn't need to hold the hands or feet.
     
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    There’s Prime stuff in WFC? When did the soft reboot start?
     
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    Some Prime stuff will be coming in next year's Legacy line. Arcee, Bulkhead, and Knockout.
     
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    I think when it comes to Menasor, Hasbro can't do ALL of the following:

    - a cab+trailer that becomes a voyager-ish height Motormaster (instead of just the cab becoming Motormaster)
    - a truck mode that scales properly with the cars (meaning much larger than cars) but also the robot Motormaster is only slightly bigger than the cars' robot modes
    - a toy that can covert from the relatively small Motormaster robot to the larger Menasor torso (and limb skeleton too, potentially)
    - do it at retail pricepoints and meeting child safety laws

    So, they are going to have to make a call and pick some goals to hit and others to pass over. Unless you're at Fans Toys price/size/budget/complexity/kid-unfriendliness you can't do them all. We'll kinda just have to wait and see which ones they choose. My own speculation is that making Motormaster the cab and the trailer basically be base-mode/Menasor skeleton lets you hit the most points the most easily.
     
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    Soft reboot started with Siege, but the Prime stuff is coming in Legacy.

    Only it's retools of Prime characters from previous G1 figures, like Knockout from SS86 Jazz and Bulkhead has an alt-mode that looks similar to Inferno/Grapple.
    Needless to say Prime fans aren't that happy, especially since Cybertron Metroplex and presumably the other UT stuff will look much more accurate.
     
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    I just can't do it. Without definitive word on the total combined height or pictures of it fully combined, it is just too much of an investment to take a flyer on. Figure does look great thus far, but not big enough into the series (I don't have the originals) to venture down that road almost blindly.
     
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    I will say, IMO they really should at least reveal the full combined mode, in CAD form if nothing else. Just so people know what they're getting at the end of the expensive road they're being invited to travel down one MP at a time.

    I have no horse in this race as I'm not getting him personally. I do think he looks awesome to me, and I love what they're doing with him. But I also know for something that isn't fully up to some people's standards, who are already in their minds having to accept some compromises, it is only fair I think to let people know what they're signing up for. Especially since the silhouette has been kind of divisive.

    Just put it all out there and the ones who want what's on offer will bite. The ambiguity can only serve to keep some on the fence I feel.
     
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