Transformers Military Organization

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    I've been looking into how Transformers Militaries are organized and comparing them to real world militaries and what their jobs would fall under. The G1 Decepticons are much more clearly organized. Probably because they're a formal military while the Autobots generally aren't.

    It also should be considered by the time they've gotten to Earth both armies are clearly diminished in numbers. Like seriously just counting the toy line both sides are only a few hundred each.

    Decepticons
    Megatron: Leader
    Shockwave: Military Operations Commander (old function) or Scientist (new function)
    Soundwave and Cassettes: Communications/Intelligence Network (with some serving as muscle or covert ops. like Rumble, Frenzy, Overkill, and Ravage)

    The rest of the lookalikes

    Seekers: Air Force

    Reflectors: Ground Forces: The basic grunts who cover light infantry, medics, reconnaissance, security/guard duty, laborers (I did some research and they've been used in a lot of different ways from the toy-line, cartoons, and comics)

    Battlechargers: Ground Forces: main duo are Shock Troopers (so this might be their particular branch of the ground forces)

    Clones: Not sure I kind of want to add them to the Combined Arms group below since the two we have would be a ground and air team. Since they went ahead and made Battlechargers into a the ground force equivalent of the Seekers in Devastation I'd like to see something similar with the Clones. I mean they're called the Clones! They're basically asking to be made into army builders! They'd be the mooks of wild/natural areas (jungle, desert, mountain, etc.) unsuited for vehicle modes.

    Shockwave's experiments (DW comics)

    Duocons, Triple-Changers, and Sixshot: Combined Arms (nearest analogue I found that could match, otherwise they'd just be listed as super soldiers created by Shockwave to make transformers with multiple alt-modes)

    The Sub-Groups

    Insecticons: Information Warfare Unit (main trio at least, Venom and Chop Shop could work with this too, but I guess Ransack and Barrage would be their muscle)
    Firecons: Flamethrower Unit
    Triggercons: Gunner/Artillery Unit

    Constructicons: Engineering Unit
    Stunticons: Urban Warfare Unit
    Combaticons: Commando/Special Forces Unit (could also qualify as a combined arms unit since they have land, air, and space force members)
    Predacons: Jungle Warfare Unit (and the Counter-Dinobot Unit, yes they needed a special unit just for the Dinobots)
    Terrorcons: Terrorism Unit
    Seacons: Naval Force Unit

    Trypticon: Assault Base

    I wasn't sure how to place the Pretenders and various Masters into this since they're rather diverse groups and allied by their gimmicks rather than alt-mode or function, but I could see Thunderwing, Scorponok, and Skystalker at least being the types to form their own splinter factions and go off to do their own thing while Megatron of course leads the main army.
     
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    I've done quite a bit of research into Reflector/Refraktor or the Reflectors/Refraktors (also called Photons) role in the Decepticon Army. The main one (or three?) is Reconnaissance, but in the cartoon both the original and in WFC they're used as the generic Decepticon grunt.

    TFWikl Info:

    ""Watchdog" units are part of the Decepticon security net on Cybertron under Shockwave. These hovercars patrol the roads of Cybertron, going where the traditional Decepticon jet cannot."

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    "Identified only as "futuristic Decepticon vehicles" in the episode's script, these two Decepticons are colloquially referred to as "watchdogs" by Spike. They share the same pale purple and grey color scheme as Reflector and the rear of the vehicles resembles the viewfinder section found on the backs of the individual Reflector components; could they be some of the Photons—the robots who share Reflector's design—in their Cybertronian alternate modes?"

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    The colors do match. Also the functions of Reconnaissance and Security do overlap. Going out to look for enemies or other threats and then alert command when they find something helps to keep the main force safe.

    Their toy/character models have also been used for medics in Marvel comics.

    More TFWiki info

    "At least two of the medics that appear in "The Last Stand" somewhat resemble the Generation 1 toy versions of Spectro and Spyglass—sharing many of their design cues. Later, among all of the Sparkplug-deactivated Decepticons, a generic that resembles Viewfinder can also be seen."

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    TFWiki made a joke of it, but I too would consider them as their Light Infantry.

    it’s somewhat odd the Decepticons don’t have any traditional generics for heavy infantry given their military ways. Of course when first introduced back in the 80’s they were all about being an Air Force and able to fly while the Autobots were the ground force and couldn’t fly. That’s why the Autobots would make the Aerialbots and the Decepticons would make the Stunticons.

    Later stuff like the Devastation game would add the tank Battlechargers and WFC would use Impactor generics (though he’s normally an Autobot and the Wrecker leader). In the classic toy line those who’d be seen as heavy infantry like Brawl would be scattered amongst the various sub-groups.

    I suppose their military doctrines emphasized air supremacy over other military branches which might have alienated potential infantry recruits. Either that or the Autobots were so much better fighting on the ground then the Cons that they wiped out most if not all the Cons’ generic heavy infantry units by the time of the Ark launch.
     
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    Additional thoughts: while there are exceptions the smallest military unit seems to be 3.

    The Seekers are in groups of 3
    Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp
    Thrust, Dirge, Ramjet
    Sunstorm, Bistream, Hotlink
    Acid Storm, Ion Storm, Nova Storm

    The Reflector Unit (units?) are three (or at least need three to form a camera)

    The main Insecticons, the Firecons, and Triggercons are groups of three. Larger groups of 5-6 are Combiner Teams. In general all the sub-groups seem to be specialized units with a particular function.

    Soundwave and his Cassette Force are an exception or have a different form of organization as the Communication/Intelligence network separate from the rest of the land, sea, sky, and space branches of the military. The difference being Soundwave has as many cassettes as he wants working under him doing his (and Megatron's) bidding.

    Speaking of the last two Classic Pretender Starscream is identified as the Aerospace Commander which suggests the Air and Space forces might have been merged. Which makes sense since both involve "flying".

    The Battlechargers are a duo but in Devastation when they first attack its in a group of three.

    with a name like Clones (Pounce and Wingspan) it wouldn’t be hard to imagine there being more than just the two.

    Okay, I think that covers the Decepticon Army I'm going to try and do the Autobots next. They're a lot more individualistic so this is going to take a bit.
     
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    thank you

    I should probably mention counting the entire G1-G2 toy line and the cartoon and comic characters who never got toys both factions are like around the size of a large company or a small battalion so like 200-300 (500 at most) soldiers each. At least by the time they get to Earth and after the 4 million year nap.
     
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    ...honestly Reflector/Refraktor should be under the command of Soundwave and probably was before the Nemesis crashed and the Decepticons found themselves in desperate need of warriors
     
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    Probably. Though to differentiate them I prefer to consider Reflector in charge of security. You know since they’re a camera?

    make them the military police of the army
     
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    Constructicons should be Construction Battalion, aka SEABEES in the Navy
     
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    Reflector/Refraktor would best be suited as mass communications specialists. Dealing with public affairs, media correspondence, propaganda ministry ie "ALL HAIL MEGATRON". In order to further the Decepticon cause through mass media promotion.
     
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    Makes sense.

    I wish they’d make a bunch of Battlecharger repaints so I’d be able to give the Cons a proper rank and file ground force. I even have names for them that’d fit with Runamuck and Runabout: Runaway, Runalot, Runaround, Runabunch… six would be perfect

    Edit: Runafter, Runalong, Runahead, Runacross
     
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    It occurs to me that Astrotrain and Octane would be under Logistics given their jobs as transporters of fuel or troops. Though their status as triple-changers also makes them fall under a combined arms unit since they have land and sky/space alt-modes.

    The Reflector/Refraktor troops could fall into the role of a reconnaissance unit within the infantry forces with the Battlechargers being the actual fighting force of the ground troops.
     
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    Decided to redo the Decepticons and better define their positions.

    Decepticons
    Top Brass
    Megatron
    = Commander-in-Chief/Supreme Commander
    EDIT: To be honest now that I think about it Megatron likes to lead from the front right? So he's probably (also) the General of the Army/Ground Forces while Starscream is the General of the Air Force.

    Shockwave = Military Scientist

    Seekers = Air Force or Aviation Branch (with Starscream as Air Commander/General)
    Seacons = Navy Force Unit (with this being their only navy force they'd probably count as "Special Forces" too)

    Army = Ground Forces
    Soundwave and Cassettes
    = Signal Corps Branch and Military Intelligence Branch (Soundwave would probably be a Signals Intelligence Officer)

    Insecticons: Shrapnel (Cyber/Intelligence Branch), Kickback (Intelligence Branch), Bombshell (Psychological Operations Branch) = Information Warfare Unit

    Constructicons = Engineering Corps Branch

    Battlechargers = Infantry Branch (Shock or Assault Troops)
    Reflectors = Infantry Branch (Reconnaissance Unit)

    Triggercons = Artillery Branch (combines Field and Air Defense Branches)

    Firecons = Chemical Corps (Flamethrowers)

    Special Forces Branch (AKA "The Special Teams")
    Stunticons
    = Urban Warfare Unit
    Combaticons = Special Operations Unit
    Predacons = Jungle Warfare & Counter-Dinobot Unit
    Terrorcons
    = Terrorism Unit

    Combined Arms Units (Shockwave’s Experiments, could also fall under Special Forces)
    Clones, Duocons (Assault Teams), Triple-Changers*, and Sixshot (S.T.A.G.)
    *Astrotrain and Octane would also fall under Transportation in the Logistic Branch

    Trypticon = Base / Siege Engine (less of a job guy and more of a 'living weapon' guy)

    Other: Barrage, Ransack, Venom, and Chop Shop (really not sure where to place them now, I could treat them as mercenaries I suppose...)

    I like how this came out. Much better clarification.
     
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