Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Nephilim, May 10, 2017.
How many sharks must this franchise jump?
Or just blame it all on the Unicron Singularity and roll with it!
Because they didn't explicitly mention that they surfed the internet, which would have MANY documented examples of human war.
Tony Lucas, from a Caterpillar computer.
Well, they've kept quiet about the moon landing!
I'll mention again:
We have no evidence that the "Autobot Arrival" in TF1 was their first time here.
Good god the amount of lore breaking elements in these photos is astounding. How the hell is Megatron on a volcano in his new when he's supposed to be frozen in ice? How is Ironhide in WW1/WW2 despite not having arrived here in 2007?
Wasting your time. There's some kind of bug on this forum that prevents most people from reading other posts. Also some kind of jump to conclusions macro bug...
It's not literal it's a marketing ploy, use your effing brain for the love of hell! This is blatant stupidity on the fandoms part the TF movies suffer it a lot, plot holes being cried out because the fandom is unwilling to use their brain for ten seconds. Why doesn't Sam just revive optimus with the shard, great idea now how exactly does he reach him, does he even know where the hell he is? Does he even know that will work before wheelie told him to use it on Jetfire? Would he get even a mile within a military base before the government took him and likely handed him over. It's a beyond stupid plan there are easier ways to commit suicide.
They say the sentinel thing counteracts everything while ignoring a critical detail Megatron thought he was dead. The ark plan was before the Allspark was even lost. It wasn't one plan it was things kept going wrong and Megatron had to adapt on the fly. It's not difficult Megatron had one plan it didn't come through he shifted to another and eventually discovered the ark putting the original plan back into play. It's something a military commander should be able to do, adapt on the fly.
This is stupid it makes no sense to try to think of some convoluted way to connect all of them when there's a far simpler solution, he kept altering his plans because thing kept going wrong. The Allspark stuff came after the Ark we know this. It's right there, all it takes is the minimum amount of thought, same with the creators and even the stuff right now, but the fandom doesn't want to give that minimum effort and want to be spoon fed everything.
Who the hell is seeing Starscream?
They said they learned earths languages from the internet, yes, but he said we have "Witnessed" human capacity for war, as in seeing with their own optics, not researched.
The movies need some meta-joke on Megatron and his plans. It's like Samuel L Jackson in Kingsman, "I'm gonna come up with some absurd, convoluted way to do this and that..."
So... according to you;
The statement confirming the scene to be in the movie mentioning the Autobots fighting the Nazi's and Bay telling/re-assuring people that they'd be proud of how it was portrayed (or whatever)
The scene of Bumblebee in the movie fighting Nazi's
The poster displaying Bumblebee infront of a Nazi building
The photo's showing Bumblebee fighting against the Nazi's
Is all just a marketting ploy that wont be in the movie...?
If we go by the idea that the Autobots have been here before then it contradicts so many aspects of lore and it generally unleashes a massive wall of questions... :L
- Why are they unaware of the Allspark despite working with Sector Seven founders who discovered the Allspark?
- Why are they unaware of the Tomb Of The Primes, Jetfire and the Fallen?
- Why are they unaware of the Space Missions and the discovery of the Pillars? Especially considering they would have flown past the moon multiple times if they were on-and-off Earth
- Why are they unaware of Sector Seven despite working with several of the founders in some of these historical pictures?
- Why are they unaware of Megatron being in the ice? The Decepticons found out barely a few weeks/months after arriving in the canon prequel
- Why would the Autobots involve themselves in human battles?
- How would nobody have mentioned the inclusion of Transformers in history?
- How would the Witwiccan group cover up everything? and why would they even do such a thing given it only created more problems for the Transformers in the long run?
- Why would the governments of the world not trust Transformers if they've been allied with the Autobots for hundreds/thousands of years?
- Why would they arrive from space if they've been here this entire time?
- Did they leave Earth and come back?
- Why would they do this?
- Where would they go?
- How long did they leave?
- At what points in time did they leave?
- Was'nt the whole point of TF;2007 that Optimus did not know that the Allspark was on Earth until he arrives in 2007?
- Why would'nt Bumblebee get in contact with the other Transformers he would know are on Earth given they took part in famous historical events and apparently knew the Witwiccan's?
- Why would'nt Bumblebee ally himself with his 'brother' Hot Rod?
- Why would'nt Ironhide be more acceptant of humans
- If they have been here for hundreds/thousands of years actively helping as implied by the photo's, then why did they not fight alongside Optimus or the other Autobots in the last few movies?
NOTE; you dont need to attempt to answer all of these, a lot of them simply cannot be answered. The point is simply that it makes the lore a lot more complicated and incredibly difficult to actually structure - and it does contradict certain aspects by simply making it less and less believable.
Who said they were?
Why would they know?
They may have been on Earth before but that doesn't mean they know everything about it. There are still things humans can't find, like the tombs of some of the Khans of the Mongol Empire. The knights may not even share the same goals as the Autobots so they might not feel the need to help them or even contact them. This is probably stuff that will be answered in the movie.
Just rewatched the first film and something that Optimus said is that they've SEEN humanity's capacity of war which could mean that they have been here and participated in the many many wars.
Why would they be aware of any of them? The Tomb, as presented, was specifically designed to not be found. Jetfire was in hiding. The Fallen was an enemy of the Autobots.
Simple... they were here long ago, and then they left. The Ark crashed in the 1960's, decades after WW2.
I haven't seen pictures of the Transformers working with the founders of Sector 7. If those exist, then yeah that's a pretty big plot hole (that could very well have an explanation in TF:TLK as well).
As far as I'm concerned, only what happens in the movies is canon. So the Autobots not knowing where Megatron was (or even that he was here) is easily understandable.
I'm sure that will be a major plot point of TF:TLK.
I'm sure that will be a major plot point of TF:TLK.
I'm sure that will be a major plot point of TF:TLK.
Because they are an alien species that brings death and destruction to Earth would be my first guess. Also, I don't know that they trust them or not, or for how long. I'm waiting to see TF:TLK to get my information from the source.
No one has said they've been here this entire time. Or, at least I haven't. I'm saying it's quite possible they have left and come back.
I don't know.
It's a big universe, they have options.
Maybe 2007 was Optimus Prime's first time here? It's possible. It's also possible none of the Transformers (aside from Megatron and Sentinel Prime) knew the Allspark was here until 2007. We'll have to wait until TF:TLK comes out to see if that information is provided.
It's possible there were no Transformers on Earth when Bumblebee arrived before the events of TF1 (2007). EDIT: I mean Autobots. There were Seekers here, obviously.
I don't know that he didn't, I can't say since I haven't seen TF:TLK. I don't know when Hot Rod got here or if he and Bumblebee have been on Earth at the same time.
Well, if he's participated in wars with them, then he's seen them at their worst and he probably made a judgement call. But I'm just guessing.
I am not saying the Transformers have been here for "hundreds/thousands of years." It looks like they've been here at certain times throughout history, yes. But as for how extensive that time has been, I have no clue. Guess why.
Have you seen those pictures on Instagram about Autobots in old earth based wars?! Not sure how it fits in with TF1, but I guess it's because of Unicron
So basically no matter what logic bombs get dropped, it makes perfect sense or will somehow be explained without double donging continuity? Jesus, there's finally a continuity more confusing than Big O
They could very well blow the continuity all to hell with TF:TLK. But they haven't YET, is my point.
The Bumblebee thing is true these pictures likely aren't, my point is very simple there are answers if you think of them. There's nothing unbelievable about this how many alien sightings have been presumed throughout human history, what if some were true. We still don't know if they were. If Bumblebee was around in WW2 he likely didn't fight with the allies and was likely on his own mission likely interfering and saving the Winston church area after Nazi's took it hence the flags. The soldiers likely weren't sure what they saw, and were sworn to secrecy because no one knew what it was.
TLK is a mythological epic, these events are not public they are stories, legends that those who saw them told, that faded to myth. The knights in King Arthur's time were likely not even believed to be aliens but gods. In feudal Japan they were likely warrior spirits from beyond, guardians. WW1 likely saw them as a guide sent by God. These are simple legends that never became public due to people not knowing what aliens were, or S7 covering it up, or others just not being certain what they saw. They didn't fight alongside the allies or any government they just intervened at certain points and faded before anyone could really comprehend what they witnessed so no one would believe them.
Why is it unbelievable how many stories have been told about someone seeing a ghost, or an angel, or demon or alien abduction, how many have been rumored. Yet nothing is known of either of these, this is the same scenario. It's not unbelievable at all.
Well not Bumblebee, obviously. He has a new body and was already on Earth when TF1 started. The rest are obviously just part of the marketing campaign, not to be in the final movie.
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