Transformers Haslab Victory Saber Revealed! Crowdfunding Campaign Live!

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  1. Foster

    Foster Haslab Victory Saber Backer #3 Veteran

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    Yeah twice this week (and it's only Wednesday) the thread has been dominated by this kind of speculation!
     
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    I think this forum would have that, but we had very vocal critics of both Saber and Unicron and both were still funded. The difference is likely "doesn't hit all stretches" but I don't think the impact is "doesn't get made."

    Also, 6mo to a year is being optimistic. How long was it between CW/UW Devastator and that recent Amazon reissue? 6 years?
     
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    Well what else do we have to talk about now? Campaign has ended, project funded, all tiers cleared, and nothing new from Hasbro. The only thing left to talk about now is the future and what that might look like.
     
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    I'd be up for a pretenders combiner HasLab, as long as it wasn't like Unicrin priced lol

    Also, with how much people demand those g1 alt modes that require massive amounts of mass shifting, I dont really understand the problem with pretenders (or why the comic didnt go with this in the first place.) Like yeah the shell is bigger than the robot for the toy, but the same way its obvious Soundwave's cassette player isn't to scale it should be obvious the shells were meant to be more normal sized with the robots growing as they exited them.
     
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    1. You're missing the point. What incentive do I have to buy 2,3,4 or 5 of these figures. I would love to see the numbers for Victory Saber. It wasn't 22k backers, it was 22k units ordered. Out of those numbers, how many people, on this very thread, didn't like the price and were on the fence but decided to pull the trigger.

    Again, I think a lot of people in the collecting community don't understand the scale of production needed for the toys we love to come to market. Hasbro knows they will never be able to sell 100k units of Victory Saber in the US without introducing the character into some Transformers Cartoon.

    2. What reissue has been more expensive in the last 20 years? Again, you can't count yen to dollar currency flucuations that have happened with the Japanese reissues in the last couple years. The Hasbro releases have been consistent over the last 20 years (the commemorative reissues were about 30 dollars and most of the Walmart reissues were in that price range for the same toy scale). The best example of this being the astrotrain reissue. But again, you miss the point. Hasbro is a business, they are not going to do something unless it can make them money. Why would they take a product from a specialized production run that they charged a premium for and hope to do it again just to devalue that production run by offering it for less money?

    Its not impossible to happen, but if it does happen, the Haslab program will be killed.
     
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    For point 2, G1 Prime at Walmart was $50 for just the cab a few short years ago, this year Rattrap (a $5 toy from Beast Wars) is $22, Cheetor ($10) is $22 and Primal and Megatron ($20 each) are now $50.
     
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    You'd have the fact there's no guarantee HasLab's ever get reissued. Because they haven't yet, and the next time they do will be the first.

    Every Siege/ER figure re-released under the Kingdom label was MSRP'd at the new price. And while some retailers haven't done this yet, Pulse is already setting those new prices on their storefront.

    If they reissue Victory Star Saber six years from now nobody's going to suddenly stop backing HasLabs. Because six years is a looooong time.

    Not to mention I've never suggested anything beyond a second funding window. This isn't a case where I expect Saber to just pop up at retail tomorrow.
     
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    I do wonder how many units of a figure they make each year, especially for the Titan Class. Is it something like 40k so that is why Victory Saber ended up being a HasLab or maybe 10k? We know it is low enough that they had to reissue siege omega last year to keep up with demand.

    Also vintage Rattrap costs $20 when it was just $5 in 1996. So a 300% increase in price can’t be all inflation.
     
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    I don't know why it matters, the few that had a massive issue with the price did so because they either had no idea how made to order works, or completely delusional sense of real world economics. The few that claimed to have an issue with price but stated they backed a copy were more interested in telling others what they should or shouldn't spend their money on.
     
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    Even recognizing the oddity that Rattrap and Cheetor are being reissued at the same price. $10 (Cheetor) in 1996 would be worth less than $20 today ($17.48 by the calculator I used).
     
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    once funding ended, this turned into "talk about whatever the hell we want" thread lmao
     
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    For me, that's the rub. Why not take an important character like Star Saber and finally introduce him in a cartoon?

    I don't disagree with the spirit of your discussion. But we're not exactly being charged a premium for Victory Saber. $180 would be the going rate when you break down the components. This was simply an attempt to get a Generations toy to collectors' hands when retailers probably would have balked at the idea of Titan-Class pricing for a gift set rather than a large single figure.

    I do agree that re-issuing Haslab toys down the road would not be a good idea for the Haslab program itself. But I think that comes from my perspective of what Haslab is. To me, Haslab isn't a platform to create a viable retail product, from my understanding. It's a platform to offer toys that wouldn't be available otherwise. The reason I've come to that conclusion is that, if Hasbro offered a figure after it was funded at retail, there's no incentive then to fund the initial project. Why? It's because it will create a malaise amongst the fandom and a perception for some that the projects are inevitable at retail - so why fund it from the get-go? Only time will determine if my perspective on Haslab is correct.

    That said, I do think Haslab projects might be a good place to go for alternate releases. Hasbro could release black Energon Unicron at some point or the black Robotmaster Victory Saber. Since the molds are funded and already created, these would fall into the cost-savings measures used for mold reuses in the main lines. I doubt Unicron would probably happen just simply due to the sheer cost of trying to purchase a $700 repaint...but Victory Saber is a different matter. I think there are enough fans out there that would support such a release and the alternate color mapping would preserve the integrity of the Haslab project itself.
     
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    I think it was either the FT Menasor or Cang Predaking thread that talked about pizza and ice cream for a few pages a while back during a lull
     
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    I think the only store that could have tackled a set like this would have been Toys'R'Us. Making it only available online might have worked, but with it being an unmodified mold that would not likely be used for any other figures it would be a hard pill to swallow, especially watching Takara hit or miss with the Masterpiece line. HasLab was the best opportunity to show the demand was there and address shareholders concerns as well as brick and mortar stores the product will move despite it's price vs size.
     
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    Sure. But at best, it's a set up to prove to retailers that future sets like this can work, rather than offering this specific set at retail.
     
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    Yeah, I completely agree
     
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    There are literally at least ten pages in a row on this thread talking about SPAM, as in the “food” so at least this is talking about HasLab’s future possibilities.
     
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    Like the common idea states: vote with your pocket.
     
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