Transformers Haslab Victory Saber Revealed! Crowdfunding Campaign Live!

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  1. Nova Maximus

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    Well technically they could, like how they made Gun Megatron post-80s without making him neon-green, as long as Hasbro doesn't distribute it.
     
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    If they wanted to hurt the brand, sure. Optimus has been various vehicles, clothing and game systems. If you really want something like that, no judgements here. Not sure there is a market that would make it profitable.

    Edit: forgot the pen.
     
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    It seems odd to me that Takara would get free reign to do whatever they want with the characters over there forever. I would think at some point Hasbro would try to amend or renegotiate the terms if it got too crazy. "Do whatever you want forever" doesn't seem like a realistic agreement to me.
     
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    Takara's Transformers: Sex toys in disguise
    Takara is not to be held legally accountable if you get stuck on a hinge
     
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    Got my two orders thrown in there. I've always wanted a SS + VL. 3p versions never really peaked my interest but I think this looks fantastic!
     
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    Actually I'm not sure Hasbro just has full access to all things made by Takara for Takara like that, which is one of the reasons Hasbro quit doing their own versions of stuff like MPs. It's all owned by TOMY so they have to specifically license those out, too. Hasbro name also doesn't appear anywhere on TakaraTOMY's packaging in the legal text in regard to the toys, that stuff is all TOMY.


    Toywise is one thing, but Hasbro had very little creative control in the original agreement with Paramount (which is probably why a lot of the movie designs weren't very toy friendly). The comics were a different story, but it's well known that guys like Michael Bay didn't give a crap about what the comics did which is why the movies kept doing whatever they wanted anyway.

    It will be a bit different now with Transformers 7 with Hasbro more involved at least plot wise, but generally Paramount still maintains a lot of the ownership of the movie rights themselves.


    There is a reason and in media it's universal. When you make a story about Transformers, and you can go with a character that 100% of the people know or a character that maybe 20-30% tops might recognize, you go with the 100%. It's not a bias, though, just what makes sense. Hasbro doesn't use JG1, but it's not like they're dragging out the Pretenders and Micromasters characters to star in any new cartoons or movies either.
     
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  7. WishfulThinking

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    Hasbro has 100% control in Asia outside of Japan. It's called Hasbro Asia.
    From wikipedia:
    Alan saw the Far East as an important market to expand. In 1992, Hasbro purchased Nomura Toys Ltd. in Japan, and majority ownership of Palmyra, a Southeast Asian toy distributor. These increased the proportion of international sales from 22% in 1985 to 45% ($1.28 billion) in 1995.

    Maybe you should learn to use one.
    That's not what I'm saying at all. T/T pays Hasbro to use the Transformers franchise and keeps the profits off the toys produced. Hasbro pays T/T to help design its figures and keeps the profits off the toys produced everywhere else. But Hasbro owns everything that has a Transformers label slapped on it. It's not all that difficult to figure out.
     
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    The short version of Why Takara is special to Transformers: Hasbro was to produce electronic vehicles for kids back in 1980's as part of the deal to acquire Transformers. Hasbro ultimately declined to produce & as a form of compensation, gave Takara the Transformers license within Japan.

    Takara does not need to pay Hasbro to use Transformers in Japan. Takara Tomy IS Transformers in Japan. Hasbro has no actual ability to modify without agreement of Takara Tomy.
     
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    If it says Transformers, then Hasbro has a say and access thereof. T/T doesn't own Transformers in any way, shape or form. They license the brand and the characters therein. But, because both companies are so intertwined on the product, the ramifications of losing T/T as a business partner would shake the brand's foundation to its core. Reissues would be a thing of the past.

    Trust me, I understand why Hasbro is sticking with their evergreen characters.

    However, there's been plenty of room for new characters or characters few know recently, especially in Cyberverse. In those instances, JG1 characters are just as fair game as others.
     
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    I don't know if I'd describe it as a complete "free reign", but it is part of what makes this franchise so unique.
     
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    This is contradictory. Either they license or they own. They license. That means they do not own. Regardless if TT pays for the license or if it's loaned, they do not own Transformers.

    As soon as any company stamps a Transformers label on the product, Hasbro has some form of rights to it.
     
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    No, and that statement is incorrect because of the unique agreement between companies and the various reasons why already stated here, but I'm not going in circles about this anymore so interpret things however it makes you happy.


    Sure, but in those cases like in Cyberverse the writers for their story decided they'd rather use some new characters rather than just digging up an old obscure one. There's always an argument for and against them doing that instead of giving an old character their due, but it's just the way it goes.
     
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    If Star Saber does well enough that we get more JG1, do you think they'd try to market God Ginrai as Powermaster Prime in the west, or might they actually finally call him Ginrai? Would Godbomber just be called Apex or Apex Bomber?

    I'm sure there's probably some other JG1 names that might be weird or tough sells in the west. Are there any that come to mind. Star Saber at least has the benefit of having a very straight forward name, but if they ever released the Trainbots in the West I could see them getting new names...
     
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    Considering that they've always done so in the past, I'm pretty sure that Hasbro will keep marketing him as Powermaster Optimus Prime outside of Japan. I Honestly never got why Takara decided to take a toy that was designed to be a new version of Optimus and make it into it's own character in the first place.
     
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    I always thought they did it that way because it couldn't be marketed as God Masters in the US due to religious blowback.
     
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    But Ginrai/PMOP's mold was made with the intention from the start to be a new body for Optimus, and god masters were just the messy equivalent to power masters because they decided to make them super sentai for some reason
     
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    That would only explain why Hasbro wouldn't use the term God Ginrai. It hardly addresses the actual question: Why would Japan take a toy that so obviously was an Optimus Prime toy, and call it anything other than Optimus Prime (or Convoy)?
     
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    To take on that question, myself, the only theory I've ever really had is that, having killed off Prime (a second time) in Headmasters, Japan wasn't ready to resurrect him (even though Hasbro was), so they contrived an explanation for why Ginrai should look just like him, and waited a few more years until "Return of Convoy" came around.
     
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    Yeah that's the most likely explanation I'd think. Hasbro put in the request for a new Optimus toy for his revival, but then Takara decided not to bring him back after just killing him off in headmasters
     
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    The Masterforce show had an explanation within a clip show that the transtector was indeed meant as a new body for Optimus Prime but had been stolen by Devil Z, I believe.
     
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