Transformers Haslab Victory Saber Revealed! Crowdfunding Campaign Live!

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by Smokie, Aug 27, 2021.

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    I am going to give a quick explanation on why it is impossible to scalp Victory Saber, and I will use the same example the link you provided uses.

    In the scenario of theatre ticket scalping, there is a maximum limit of tickets available. It is a zero sum game; for every ticket a scalper buys is one less ticket a person can buy at the normal price.

    With Victory Saber there is no maximum limit on the number of figures Hasbro will produce, only a minimum limit. Since VS is a made to order item, anytime a "scalper" backs a figure during the campaign it does not take one away from a person who wants to but it at retail price. Essentially right now an infinite amount of VS figures is possible which makes it an impossible product to scalp. In fact the more figures "scalpers" were to back would increase the supply of VS after the campaign and more supply of an item decreases its aftermarket value.
     
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    Space ship toys usually can't.
     
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    Exactly. You cant scalp something that is made to order. The potential releases are infinite right now. Scalping implies you buy something that is finite and take a purchase away from somebody else. But if an item is made to order, again there is no limit

    If you miss VS, and somebody is selling VS on Ebay for, lets say, 3x the price they paid for it, it is not scalping as they did not prevent another persons chance of purchasing the item directly from Hasbro. That person either missed it or chose not to get it when it was offered by Hasbro. There is no instance of "I cant get VS because somebody bought all the VS from Hasbro." this line is never true.
     
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    So the second tier reward is a stand... well I would hope tier 3 is a full on new deluxe.
     
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    Yes, it is, you just have to wait until after the figure is produced. Unicron was successfully scalped. People bought it at the regular price and then sold it for much more when it was difficult to get (backing period over and out of production).
     
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    Selling an oop product for market value is not scalping. There may be a different term to use, but it's not scalping.
     
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    Look, dude, I get that you're pissed about the price mark up for saber, but consider that for the rest of us, it's still 'only' $180.

    For all we know, it's a typo they be yet to fix like when it happened to the kingdom two packs.

    I'm not at all trying to say "you're stupid" or insult you, I'm saying that you're thinking inside the box and ignoring how it is everywhere else.

    Is it fair that UK and other buyers are currently being shafted with the extra price? Fuck no, it isn't!

    That said, I still think that you should look at the toy itself as """only""" $180 (USD). The jacked up price could be shipping, I don't know.
     
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    That's just wrong. The hollow plastic is, sans the longer guns from VL, entirely hidden in Alt modes, Star Saber, and Victory Saber. You see some hollow thigh in VL's robot and forearms in Saber that EVERY iteration has
     
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    To each their own I guess, but I never got complaints about things looking too toyish. They are toys, would you like them to look like animals?
     
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    It is according to Cambridge and Merriam Webster.
     
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    Who wants to place bets on how many times we need to explain that Marvel Legends are much cheaper to produce than Transformer figures?

    Even though no one asked, scalping by it's literally definition is buying something with the intention to sell at a profit.

    Also considering getting two, I kinda just want one in box.
     
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    It would but that's just unrealistic for a transformer except for straight redecos. The ML ones reuse a lot of base molds so they can get one muscle man with a new head from a different muscle man relatively cheaply.
     
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    I don't think you're very good at reading definitions.

    Cambridge's definition specifically says "such as theatre tickets," which calls out an item that has finite numbers. A made-to-order Haslab product has as many produced as people can pledge for. There is no limit. Supply meets demand. In contrast, a theatre hall can't just make more seats.
     
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    No it is not. Scalping is preventing a product from getting to the general market due to purchasing a high number of limited stock for the sole purpose of decreasing public supply thus increasing the value of the scalped product. You wouldn't call the people selling their old Transformer Animated toys on eBay scalper, would you? They are just re-selling them after production has stopped, they did not prevent anyone from getting them when they were in production.

    For example, last year I bought titan class Trypticon for $100 on sale at BBTS because they had an over abundance of stock. It is now $300 on their site as of today due to decreased supply and it no longer being in production. Are you going to call all online retailers scalpers for increasing prices on out-of-production items that are in high demand?

    I literally explained how that definition doesn't apply to this situation at all. It is like I keep telling you the rules of baseball and you reply that is not how hockey is played.
     
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    This Haslab project will have a finite number on October 10.
     
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    This isn\'t that exciting of a bonus unlock, if anything it seems something that should be included with the figure by default. :|
     
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    Yes, that's what the definition is.
     
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    A stand....for a transformer not a fixed figure or model....as a bonus item vs. a standard item packaged in...like they do for G.I. Joe figures...will be last lab project I back personally to own.

    If they wanted to generate excitement & additional backers, they sure took a step to decrease those numbers by pissing off existing ones...
     
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    guys can you take the scalping argument somewhere else? you're the only ones that care about keeping this going on.
     
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    I'd call it investing or profiteering, (even that is a stretch) before I'd call it scalping. It's just capitalism. Yeah it won't be available after Oct 10th but it's not because"scalpers" bought it out.

    Anywho, I don't expect much when it comes to the stretch goals but I don't know how much a stand is going to excite an extra 3000 buyers if they weren't going to buy it in the first place
     
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