The speculation going on in this thread has gone off the rails.

 

The reason is a second run just for replacements is a massive loss, it makes no business sense. They're completely eating all the manufacturing costs. Companies do not do that.

 

Yes they do, quite frequently in fact. When a shoddy product is produced and the company knows that they're better off keeping the good will of the customer rather than risking that customer's future purchasing decisions they will fix it at a cost to themselves. It's very important for Hasbro that the HasLab model is seen as a high end product with good QC and letting one of the projects run with terrible QC is not an option for them. It's quite ridiculous to think that a company won't eat costs to maintain goodwill with the consumer.

 

Your good will as a consumer is not worth millions of dollars.

 

No, I don't, dude. I'm literally just telling people what Hasbro told me

 

Well, I can assure you that that's what Hasbro told me they're doing

 

You’re absolutely not. You’re baseless speculating at this point. Hasbro did not tell you they’re running another 27,000 units.

 

I never said they were??????? I said that I was hypothesizing that

 

Your hypothesizing is not helpful in this situation. You’re spinning this into absurdity in a way that it makes it very difficult to take your initial statement as fact.

 

in a few of the members & fans cases, it actually is, being one of them ^^ Overall, ruining a project at 200/consumer is not a million dollars, summary projects & future loss of potential do amount to many millions of dollars. Taking into account current business accounting rules, a single year write-off is tax deductible within the margins of operations. Loss of actual revenue is worse for stock price.

 

You're the one spinning it into absurdity. You're the one assuming all 27k copies are being remade. You're the one assuming everyone had an issue and is replacing it. You're the one assuming Hasbro isn't like almost every other company who do recalls.

 

I am absolutely not. I quoted @decepticonaiden above where they said they assumed this second run would be 11,000 to 27,000 units.

I have never said that and agree with you that I find it ridiculous that everyone with a current copy would demand a replacement.

 

I apologize that I misread. It just seems like you're going after him for little reason.

 

If they can time it properly, this expense can also be rolled into their current ending fiscal year as a production expense as well. But they ARE running quite tight on time to do it.

 

My brother in christ, I was literally just trying to answer a question. I literally say "I have no proof for this, it's just a hypothesis on my part"

Hypothesized. Said I had no reason to assume. Just said what I hoped

He's not assuming that. I was the one who was told by Hasbro that they would be doing a second production run (the literal words they told me on the phone), and someone asked me how many they were gonna make. I said "I don't know. I'd assume all of them, but that's just a hypothesis on my part"

 

Yes it is lol. Let's look at an example of this in the market place: My dad runs a small construction company (literally just him and maybe 3 employees) and if he messes up just one job, even though he probably has 50-100 lined up for that year, he knows he needs to redo it even though it would be at a considerable loss to him. Do you know why he has to do it? Because if he doesn't he will burn the good will of his customers and lose out on income in the long run. Now let's look at HasLab, I'd say there are probably only about 50,000 - 100,000 people who would be willing to buy into Transformers HasLabs, and even then that's dependent on WHAT it is. Let's say that 1 in 5 VS have a considerable defect (Poorly applied foil, molding defects) on top of the Taiwan and Zavvi orders being cancelled, Hasbro is then put into a position where they could lose up to 5,000 potential future backers just from defects alone but it would also have a freezing affect on future projects as less people are likely to back into something that could have incredibly shoddy QC with no chance to return it. So what would you do then? Eat the million and use it as a tax write off or lose out on potential sales down the line?

 

My comments have been based on the suggestion that a second run should be the entire 27,000 units. That would be far more than necessary to replace defective QC copies and would likely cost Hasbro $2million+.

There’s no reason for them to go to that extreme in this situation. Of course they should replace the few hundred to few thousand with truly defective copies that go through the complaints process.

 

I mean, it's pretty fair to assume that, I'm not denying. It would be extremely expensive to do an ENTIRE second production run of the figure, with 27000 or whatever the final total was. Only reason I'm hypothesizing that is because it just sorta made sense in my head to at least produce more than the number of people who have called in with issues. My assumption is they'd need more in case more people call in afterwards. Also, potentially to help people in Taiwan and who ordered through Zavvi. I have absolutely no proof for that, it's just my hope. 27000 does seem like too much, though. I have absolutely no clue how many they'll actually manufacture. All I can say is that I know the woman I spoke to said the words "second production run"

 

They basically did this for galactus when I returned mine for issues, but I have a feeling with him they made extra to cover any issues people had.

I had to wait a month while they got the shipment in of the new batch.

Do we have a list of known issues for vs? So I can crack mine open and look

 

Someone locally was selling theirs/up for trade. They wanted my red falcon for their victory saber. He looks good has a large chip on the gold chrome and one antenna is loose, but I'm more than happy with it! any advice on how to tighten the antenna swivel?