LOL. I've never said the cartoon was childish, all of you wanting a straight copy of g1 was a childish idea. Because that's never going to happen. And please, STOP CALLING "CHARACTERIZATION" character development, that's two total different thing. Please, mention at least, one character that EVOLVES from the first episode to the last of the season 1, just one. I'd say rodimus in the movie at least?, but seeing the season 3, that's just thrown away. Neither, i've said that the movies did something better. So your arguments are invalid to me. At least learn to read through my words before you feel insecure thinking every one who disagrees with you it's automatically a "bayformer fan or lover". Do you really think i'm fan of the movies?. What a shame, not even @Dinobot Snarl could conclude to something like that if someone disagrees with him. Or maybe he could. Seeing how most of the people here think that whining in a thread for the rest of their lives could change Hasbro's mind. Want to change their minds?, stop buying their toys.