Hmm, guess that makes Megatron/Galvatron even more useless than he already is...

 

Yeah just like Tf: Prime and it's big name actors made it great. Oh wait no it took little more then half the show to get there. Big names do not equal good.

 

The problem with the tf franchise is the historical small amount of super villains.
So it always ends up with Megatron/Galvatron or Unicron.

Marvel and DC have such a broad spectrum of super villains that they could keep up rebooting everything and never dry up.

 

Then why the hell keep killing them off??? If you don't have that many major villains, don't you think it might be a wise idea to, y'know, hang onto one or at least a couple of them in case you do another movie down the road? The way Hollywood's been operating the last 15 to 20 years where they're always itching to do a sequel the second the movie they've got turns a profit, Bay & Co. couldn't have NOT suspected that the studio might want a sequel if the thing turned out to be a hit. Why close the door so tightly? Especially if you and your writers are just gonna open the rotten thing back up again, and again, and again?

Not that that matters much if a reboot goes right back to the same well that the previous movies did in terms of which villains it uses. When WB finally rebooted Superman, they brought back a villain who had already appeared in two of the previous movies, and they're going to do it again with BvS with the villain who appeared in no less than FOUR of the five prior films. Four of the seven main villains in the TDK trilogy had already been used by Burton and Schumacher (granted, two of those weren't exactly given the best on-screen portrayals you could ask for the first time around, but it doesn't change the fact that they'd already been used). As far as Marvel goes...two movies in the ASM franchise has already used at least one villain that had appeared previously, while the X-Men movies have now so sufficiently dabbled in 'prequel' time periods and alternate realities as to render the question of rebooting almost redundant, but the MCU itself hasn't required a reboot yet in the space of its six-year existence and therefore hasn't been in a big hurry to kill off EVERY SINGLE VILLAIN that it's got left and right when it knows it could get more use out of them.

 

There were big name actors in Prime?

 

The Rock and John nobel.

 

Not to mention Ernie Hudson, Clancy Brown, Gina Torres, and Adam Baldwin.

 

Sad part is...it's seems like they might not even have TF5 follow this plotline.

 

Well I guess, now we know how TF5 will start out: A group of apes in the African jungle poking and prodding a Cybertronian spaceship. Suddenly, a piece falls off the spaceship. It loosely resembles a hammer, ax, or some other dual purpose tool. Optimus Prime rambles on about how the destiny of Earth and Cybertron have always been intertwined.... Then the movie proceeds to find whatever the hell was left behind by the old Cybertronian ship and how it involves the creator's master plan...

I do pray that TF5 gets over the stupid flashback scenes at the beginning. It was neat the first time, but at this point, it has become kind of comical. Though, it would be kind of neat if they had a flashback scene with a transformer during the industrial revolution so we could have a Hearts of Steelesque figure.

 

Oh come now, you mean don't want a prologue scene of Yet Another Space MacGuffin crashing into a glacier in March of 1912 and causing an iceberg-sized chunk to break off and ultimately drift into the path of the approaching Titanic? Or one with Another Life-Giving/World-Making Whatsit that mimics the shape of anything around it, which leads to it becoming a guitar which Chuck Berry gets a hold of? Or the Angel Gabriel imbuing some weird early mix of Allspark energy and Transformium into the body of the Virgin Mary?  

 

Because it is only a movie, not a serial, and just because they had luck and made one good movie villain, there is no reason for him to return in the last two movies. He may or he may not return in a potential reboot that may or may not happen.
While series and comics goes through seasons, years and universes and therefore there are many opportunities for villains to return, and therefore survive.
And it is Hasbro's job, not Bays or Hollywood's to make us a bigger spectrum of villains. And they fail to do it.
It is always Megatron and his sidekicks Starscream and Soundwave, and sometimes Shockwave.
The same Lockdown only showed up in Animated and one comic storyline prior to the movie, and as a complete different character. A decepticon went rogue bounty hunter.

Well they could, but at the same time you actually explain why it is a tricky business, and why it is hard to plan in advance, unless you like Peter Jackson sell them an entire trilogy package.

Zod is for Superman, what the Joker is for Batman and what the Goblin is for Spiderman.
An important counterpart for the superhero.
Zod got killed, Joker got killed and Goblin got killed.
Only Sabretooth dont get killed, but he have reserved his right to kill Wolverine instead.

 

It does in this case. You have a finite budget. Most of the budget is spent on actors salaries and practical and CG effects. The more time you spend developing these CG characters, the less time you'll have to have them blow shit up.

Transformers 4 had a big enough budget, as well as years of familiarity with the workflow process of making these characters that they were able to give the Transformers more character-centric screen time without really skimping on the action.

And Michael Bay LITERALLY puts action above all else. Which is why I love him.

Just to nitpick, the Allspark, the Pillars, the Matrix, and Transformium weren't actually MacGuffins. Their importance to the plot was explained and they served a purpose. It wasn't like in Pulp Fiction where they wanted the case for god knows what reason.

 

Planet of the apes is not a good movie cause of the cgi work, and how good each hair is done on the monkeys, but cause of the directing and writing.
And you can have the most crappy cgi, but still make wonders on characterization.
Just look at Beast Wars.

 

Even in another Hasbro property of GI Joe you had a thicker rouges gallery to chose from so it didn't always have to be just Cobra Commander. Destro had his Iron Grenadiers, Zartan had his Dreadnoks, Storm Shadow, Firefly or Baroness could operate on their own.

With Transformers yea the "A" list is a very short list. Just about everything within the cartoon revolved around Megatron or Decepticons limping back to Megatron when their plan to go out on their own failed. Too many Decepticons had the role of the goon, the thug, or the henchman instead of characters that could get by without Megatron.

 

Actually, yes it is. The realism of the apes, their movements, their facial expressions, helps immensely in making them characters we can identify and empathize with.

Beast Wars is a 22 minute children's cartoon from the 90s that is hard to watch at times today. That level of production would not fly here. Pretty awful analogy, bruh.

 

Then why can't the human characters be written well...?

And why it's so hilarious that the man just does not know how to pull one off at all.

That... Doesn't mean they're not MacGuffins. And Pulp Fiction does it a million times better because we might not know what it is, but we know why all the characters want it.

 

"Indirect or implicit characterization

This is a more subtle way of introducing the character to the audience. The audience has to deduce for themselves the characteristics of the character by observing his/her thought process, behavior, speech, way of talking, appearance, and way of communication with other characters and also by discerning the response of other characters."

So the reason why the cgi is like it is, and make the apes look alive and as persons, is down to the writing was transformed into cgi.
The narrative elements are transfered to cgi. But they couldnt have done it well unless they where dictated how to make them.
Understand now?
Similar with beast wars. With so crappy cgi they managed the create some of the best characters in the Transformers universe.

This is exactly my point.
Actually only in Animated they managed to make each of the cons a threat to be reckoned.
But it is still the same basic plot.

Well the new comic should be different, but since it is hard to get in Denmark, i have read about ten percent of them so far

 

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Except people's ability to empathize with these apes is contingent on the CG quality, so no, you can't just chalk up everything to the writing.

No, not similar to Beast Wars. Beast Wars was able to create decent characters because CG quality for a 1996 kids show is far less important than it is in a multi-million dollar production from 2014.

 

This!

In regards to Transformers, should it be like Dawn?

No.....It's too late, it's established itself as a human driven story where the title characters don't even effect the storyline. It tries to be all realistic, but it's mirrored by irelavent comedic undertones and ancillary overload that ultimately has created a massive piece of Gunk!

 

Hmmm....

Transformers: Dawn Of The Dark Knight

That's what I think the name of Transformers 5 would be if it took a Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes approach