Revenge of the Fallen..ok, for starters, the very obvious; TF2 doesn't compare to TF1..something is missing..or rather allot of stuff was added..unnecessary stuff...whatever this isn't a review..just some stuff i noticed & enjoyed.

that said, this film is rather odd...it only has 2 acts..or it only feels like a 2 act story and those are....those are very unique and rare. it's the only TF film that has only has 2 acts.

I like Sam's parents and stuff but the mom was irritating in this one.

I like the disparity of when the autobots arrived from space they were careful..at least some were of hitting populated areas...Ironhide landed in a pool...like c'mon that's impressive...anyway in TF2 the Decepticons seem to be aiming for cities and human defenses...pretty cool. Nice homage to Armageddon & Pearl Harbor as well.

Ok, I was thinking...maybe they dropped Optimus Prime so callously from the chopper because the US military just took a massive hit...literally 1,000s of men & women troops perished when the Decepticons arrive and perhaps some, the pilots, were bitter at the autobots since they are blamed..rightfully or not for the decepticons being here.
The Decepticon that kills Arcee...is that not Scrapper? Because he's next to Long Haul and Long Haul and Scrapper are killed almost simultaneously by the air strike not long after. I gotta see it again.

Wheelie & Soundwave do not participate in the climatic battle in Egypt.

ok 1 of the cooler elements of TF2 I thought was Soundwave's portrayal...i really liked how he didn't step 1 foot on Earth and did all of his reconnaissance from space as a satellite..very cool...i did not like his TF3 incarnation nearly as much. (Jazz Clone)

Once again the Decepticons employed really cool stealth bots with varying results in Wheelie & Ravage, who was awesome.

Sentinel Prime is briefly mentioned by Sam when he meltsdown in class...couple this with Barricade's quote from TF1 "This one's for the Ark" that's 2 allusions to TF3.

The fight scenes were much, much better than in TF1

With the plot details of TF4 looking like Humans vs autobots the hangar scenes, which 1st came off as awkward and maybe a little out-of-place, now have credence...the autobots & the governments always had a very tenuous relationship from the start and that theme was carried over in TF3 so it's kind of cool to see a potential culmination of these efforts.

Transformers 1 starts in a desert and ends in a city
Transformers 2 starts in a city and ends in a desert

Ratchet to Ironhide: "Ironhide, we should leave this planet." -- the man knew.

Starscream gets nerfed big time....even his line at the end of the film "sometimes cowards survive"...that's not something Starscream from TF1 would say...he was an enforcer in TF1...tip of the spear kind of Decepticon..in TF2's climatic battle he's regulated to background shooter of humans.

Optimus Prime straight up executes Demolisher..no 2 ways around it..awesome though.

Sam begins to draw ancient cybertronian symbols and 'go crazy' similar to his grandfather, Archibald Witwicky in the first film.

Really enjoyed Scorponock's cameo..come on he takes out Jetfire, that's impressive & was glad he wasn't forgotten.

Scrapper's death scene...holy..don't blink.

I've always wondered...what if you were a big fan of Sideways and you waited to see him on the big screen and he gets killed in seconds..funny.

This was very much a Megatron movie...1/2 of the film Optimus Prime is absent/dead and Mega takes center stage and I've gotta say, I enjoyed it. It should of been titled Revenge of Megatron since he kills both Prime & Sam; both of those responsible for his death in TF1.

Again the human death toll is enormous.

is there anything scarier in the universe than a energon blade wielding jet prime sprinting towards you..look at those eyes..terrifying. "Give me your face!" So he goes from "You honor us with your bravery." In TF1 to "Give me your face!" for those keeping track.

kinda funny how the film ends once Optimus is revived..he just ends that mess real quick.

rather interesting how the 2nd 1/2 of the film is pretty much just Bumblebee, Skids, & Mudflap representing the autobots.

Kinda cool how Ironhide's cannons are blown off and he doesn't have them in 3..i like stuff like this.

When Nest finally gets a drone on sight in Egypt and then rolls out a strike package it's almost the exact same line of events as in TF1's Scorponock battle..there's even a similar rendition of the "scorponock" theme played.

Epps again confirms Starscream's identity as "that's not military" pretty much the same delivery in LA in TF1

Mikeyla definitely drops the F bomb when Sam dies. "Fucking do something!"

The humans were much more prepared to face off against Transformers this time around than in TF1..which makes sense.

The Pretender scene was actually pretty neat..i mean, come on, which 1 of us ever thought we'd get to see Pretenders on screen?

The Factory/Forest fight is the only time Optimus Prime & Starscream interact in the entire trilogy.

I liked Simmons as an ally...I also felt like Leo was supposed to be Simmons' "Twin"..kinds like the Twins...which is why the 4 of them being paired off vs Devastator was kinda cute.

& The Twins held their own against Devastator...remember they were young autobots..still learning..would have enjoyed to see their growth in 3, especially since they were apparently, supposed to have went to Russia with Optimus & Ratchet in TF3 and had some extended fight time.

I still don't understand 2 scenes....when Jetfire is explaining to the humans about The Fallen..there's a scene where he states that The Fallen was stronger than his brothers but then it shows, what looks to be The Fallen, getting killed or speared by his brothers...again I could be and probably am misinterpreting the scene.

And when Epps throws the orange smoke...i don't understand did he drop it or something? Worst Throw Ever

Barricade is the only surviving transformer from the original film not to appear in Transformers 2

Mixmaster says "Listen Up!" I never noticed that! Awesome...thats why i like these movies...i literally saw stuff I never saw before..like, for example, you can see Jolt for like a split second in the corner of the screen when Sideswipe spots Sam...idk i find that stuff neat.

Ok the Hatchlings...Starscream says it's to build their new army...one can only wonder if they still keep that storyline..i mean they did carry it over to TF3 which was rather interesting.

 

I personally think that while having its problems, ROTF isn't near as bad as most make it out to be.

There is a lot of great that came out of that film.

 

ROTF follows in the footsteps of such second films as 'Batman Returns,' and 'Hellboy 2.'

Where in the first film it feels like the Director has one hand tied behind his back, the sequel comes along, and studio says, 'Well, you may have something there, kid! What kind of ideas do YOU have for this sequel? Give us more of what you'd do!"

And in truth, ROTF feels more like a Michael Bay film than the first Transformers film (which at times, feels like there's an actual heart beating within it. Seriously, the scene where Bumblebee is being captured...I felt...feelings!).

The kind of stuff that annoyed me about "Armageddon" and "Pearl Harbor?" It's been resurrected!

As well, the Sam storyline is almost totally derailed as its thrown into a blender with so many extra plotpoints, that it's hard to see if anyone actual matures. Even the Transformers themselves seem moreso like set-dressing.

 

Exactly. Some scenes were straight up unnecessary and had little to no relevance to the main plot. All of the goofiness, obnoxious humor, and other scenes could have been edited out.

 

And WHERE in TF1 did Barricade say " This one's for the Ark!"???

 

It's right when he and Bee are starting to fight, and he's swinging that mace around. Though I never can tell what his last word is. All I ever can make out is, "This one is for the -"

I assume it was some kind of backlash against Bee when he spun out and knocked Barricade off his feet.

 

woa, ya, you know what, you're right...TF1 felt like Spielberg was more involved..it had a more family feel to it...where as TF2 Bay was handed the reigns and this is a guy who broke into the business making Bad Boys so he's gonna do what he does...I think Bay's a genius behind the lens but when no one says no to you it's never a good thing, ya know? Spielberg is not without fault but I'm sure Bay would take his words with great weight.

And there were times when the Transformers felt like dressing..well said..specifically the Hangar parts..but at the same token..I'd rather look at Sideswipe's grill while I'm listening to dialogue ya know?

 

hey ill say it right now..Transformers 2 is better than Transformers 3. Easily.

 

Nah... I can't say that.
I think DOTM was the best of the 3.

 

AOE may be better than 3 though.

 

The issue I've found with ROTF is mostly that I can cut it down to 20-40 minutes max and still have all the plot points and elements. Their are a massive amount of scenes that are purely for comedic effect or have no long lasting consequences. To list just a few for example;

- All the scenes with Alice
- The entire scene where Grindor captures Sam and Megatron extracts information
- All the scenes of 'The Twins' and the Arcee triplets
- All the Devastator scenes
- All the Fallen scenes except for his introduction and the final battle

I'm cutting myself short here as the movie has a lot of aspects I can just edit away and make the film improve massively - however that's what prevents me watching ROTF again because it was just so pointless when a majority of the plotlines went nowhere.

That's why I view DOTM as the best in the trilogy. While the first had promise it was weighed down by some very stupid events that occurred and the entirely unnecessary Glasses plotline. Despite the third's rather weak fight scenes with main villains and over-stretched scenes I still felt it was more of a complete film and I was actually caught in the emotion of whether Bumblebee might die (Even if it was not the emotion the movie wanted me to feel)

I think everyone is hoping for that - however until it is released we wont know for sure - so he's just judging from the released films.

 

I know, I was just saying that hopefully it's better than the original 3, I mean even if it isn't, It'll still be enjoyable.

 

ROTf's biggest problem was just how much of a clusterfuck it was and most of its main characters were annoying and unlikeable.

Simmons, Ron and Jetfire were great though.

 

True, aspects do seem to be better this time around. Though keeping my expectations low with the hopes that it might surprise me.

 

That they do.

 

so.. you didn't feel feelings when prime died in rotf?

 

considering how many times they've killed him..It doesn't affect me anymore.

 

really? you would cut out the conversation that megatron had with the fallen after megatron is revived?.. you'd cut out grindor grabbing the car? you'd cut out the awesome scene of arcee chasing sideways? and you'd cut out devastator?.. what.. do you just want to cut out all of the cool from the movie?.. why not cut out the forest battle while you're at it? or hell, cut out demolisher completely.

i'd rather cut out the scene of sam going to college.. or sams parents getting captured. it offered a cool fight between bumblebee and rampage, but that fight still could've occurred without his parents.

really, cutting any scenes that the transformers are in is just not going to work for me lol.

 

huh? they've killed him once in this series..

i mean, it wasn't like bumblebee was getting killed in the first movie, he was getting captured.