TOYWORLD TW-FS05 Sky Burst (WWI Battleship Jetfire)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Jhund, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. Bakuopp

    Bakuopp Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2017
    Posts:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    57
    Likes:
    +74
    For context within the comic, Jetfire was the citadel of the USS Maine during 1898 near Cuba, his transformation from which causing the ship to subsequently sink and aided in leading to the Spanish-American War, which was a full 5 years before even the Wright Brothers' first flight with the Wright Flyer. He seemed to keep this alternate form until our next visual of him in 1913, which was still at least a year before WWI. The next time we even see Jetfire take an alternate form within the comic is a P-38 Lightning in 1944 (keeping him in theme with the Lockheed company, nice touch there comic writer.) Mind you, when discussing scale, the P-38 (~38 ft) is almost 3 times smaller than the SR-71 (~107 ft.) And let's keep in mind, scale be damned in the Movieverse with some of the Decepticons especially. Some are smaller than they should be, some are much larger. Mass-shifting has always been a thing within the franchise, anyways.

    Also, on your whole Seeker point, the movie itself showed old photographs of Seekers that weren't just planes. There was a Ford Model T, a Hudson Locomotive, and an old truck. So, 'Seeker' in this case is more of a title given to their role rather than specifically harkening to an all-aerial team.

    Most likely, Toyworld wanted to pay homage to Jetfire's appearance as the USS Maine, but knew nobody would want to buy a shellformer that 'explodes' from the ship it's a part of. That'd honestly be pretty cheap for a transformation, and they didn't want to do that. Considering their theming of WWI/WWII, they went with the next best thing: a dreadnaught/battleship that one could say appeared in both wars, depending on the source material/vessel. Way more potential for people wanting to buy it and equal potential for a repaint/remold into a different character if they so choose.

    Not to mention, that doesn't mean this will be the only Jetfire Toyworld will ever produce. If this figure sells well, they might remold it into Tidalwave or Broadside, or just as likely give us Jetfire in his P-38 form.

    Additionally, if you don't like it being called Jetfire? Then just don't call it Jetfire! Call the figure by its 'official' name, Skyburst. That name is more fitting, sounding like it harkens to a battleship's ability to fill the air with flak against enemy aircraft.
     
    • Like Like x 7
  2. TheDude810

    TheDude810 I have an unhealthy obsession with the RotF Game

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2019
    Posts:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +9,067
    Yeah, except for the fact that the Ford Model T in RotF is also a seeker, confirming that the Seeker group that Jetfire is a part of isn't relegated to air vehicles.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  3. nugun2

    nugun2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2007
    Posts:
    223
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +137
    It looks nice but i dont see a lot of utility in a boat transformer in the bay verse
     
  4. Rated X

    Rated X Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Posts:
    4,144
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +3,774
    Was that the case in ROTF ?
     
  5. TheDude810

    TheDude810 I have an unhealthy obsession with the RotF Game

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2019
    Posts:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +9,067
    Maybe guarding Megatron's body?
     
  6. Rated X

    Rated X Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Posts:
    4,144
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +3,774
    A p-38 Id be down for as long
    Where is this Ford Model T in ROTF and where is he referred to as a seeker ? Youtube link and time would be Prime...
     
  7. bubbalew

    bubbalew Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2009
    Posts:
    184
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +216


    Starting at about 4:55
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Posts:
    90,560
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    462
    Location:
    agile house
    Likes:
    +66,946
    Instagram:
    Tell that to IDW and the numerous toylines supported by comics, and the numerous comic characters that have made it into the toyline.

    Also, this is a 3P figure. Nothing mainstream about that.

    The story took place before WW1 and before planes were even invented.

    He chose a ship because there were very few big metal things he could otherwise be that weren't on rails.

    "Seeker" has nothing to do with alt mode, it's their function. They seek things out, specifically systems to be drained of solar energy. One Seeker was a Model T, so even in ROTF there's no precedent for all Seekers being planes.

    You seem to have confused the Transformers definition of Seeker with the literal word.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  9. ShinRa Inc

    ShinRa Inc Professional Malcontent

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2007
    Posts:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    92
    Likes:
    +13
    I am that ship expert. It's definitely Warspite with a second funnel.
    (original post on the subject - TOYWORLD TW-FS05 Sky Burst (WWI Battleship Jetfire) )

    Also, TW or whoever posted the original pics eventually said it was Warspite in one of the follow-up posts.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  10. just a transformers fan

    just a transformers fan Daft Punk will forever be missed

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2020
    Posts:
    332
    Trophy Points:
    97
    Location:
    right behind you
    Likes:
    +239
    pretty sure they do that with some of the other comics to like the dark of the moon one it had optimus going to shipping containers with the corpses of dead autobots and with skids and mudflap in it
     
  11. ShadowOfSilver

    ShadowOfSilver Element 47

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2016
    Posts:
    1,282
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Likes:
    +1,536
    Ebay:
    Are there any pics of the colored test shot on Prime?
     
  12. grimtnt

    grimtnt Paradox

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Posts:
    1,965
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Location:
    Galway
    Likes:
    +3,429
    It's at the end of this clip



    Shows a blackbird, model t, b-24 liberator
    and a f-104 as seekers (as in energon seekers, not the same definition used by other continuities)

    Others have mentioned a hudson locomotive and an old truck as seekers as well, but aside from the pics on the wiki, can't see them in any clips

    Ransack (biplane, also got a scout toy) is also said to be a seeker
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2020
    • Like Like x 3
  13. Hobo Prime

    Hobo Prime Prime of Beards

    Joined:
    May 5, 2013
    Posts:
    301
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    122
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Likes:
    +216
    Thank you sir, I appreciate the clarification.
     
  14. Agent 53

    Agent 53 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2017
    Posts:
    458
    Trophy Points:
    142
    Likes:
    +710
    They likely chose to make him the whole ship because, unless they planned to sell other figures to make up the other parts of the boat, no one would by a figure that turned into half a boat.
     
  15. Agent 53

    Agent 53 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2017
    Posts:
    458
    Trophy Points:
    142
    Likes:
    +710
    To be fair not all of the comics are canon, for example the Bumblebee prequel comic is completely at odds with the film (for those who haven't read it, in the film Bumblebee is shown arriving on earth in the 80s, the comic shows Bumblebee in a James Bond esque spy adventure in (if memory serves) the 60s)

    On the Seeker comment, ROTF doesn't use seeker in the traditional Transformers Standard (in which seekers are obviously repaits/retools of Starscream, which normal Jetfire isn't), rather, according to the Transformers Wiki "The Seekers were among the first Transformers, characterized by their ability to traverse space. They were tasked with finding stars by the Dynasty of Primes to feed the AllSpark." Of note the article also cites photos of, not just the Ford Model T mentioned above, but a Hudson steam locomotive and a 1950s truck. See here.

    Furthermore, according to the wiki's article the time movieverse Jetfire took on his boat form (chronicled in the first issue of the Sector 7 comic book released in the DOTM era, from which the pictures in earlier posts were sourced), the incident in question occured in 1898, 5 years before the Wright brothers first powered flight, so there were literally no jets he could've used as a vehicle mode at the time. (Of interesting note the wiki claims that, due to his crew misinterpreting the destruction of their vessel caused by Jetfire separating himself form it as the result of a spanish attack , Jetfire unwittingly caused the Spanish-American war.)
     
    • Like Like x 4
  16. Rated X

    Rated X Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Posts:
    4,144
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Likes:
    +3,774
    11 years later and I never caught that. To be fair, it doesnt link. movie ROTF Jetfire to the comic ROTF Jetfire portraying him as a boat. But it does confirm Bayverse changed the context of the term "seeker" in his continuity.
     
  17. pilot00

    pilot00 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2017
    Posts:
    10,523
    Trophy Points:
    272
    Location:
    Athens Greece
    Likes:
    +9,489
    While you are all arguing about ships and planes, a friend of mine saw that and shouted "Since when Jetfire transforms to the Titanic.....?"

    I want to believe he didnt see the gun batteries....I really want to....
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. octobotimus

    octobotimus Anti-hype man

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2017
    Posts:
    14,648
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Location:
    Washington
    Likes:
    +35,980
    Ebay:
    One of those friends huh?
     
  19. pilot00

    pilot00 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2017
    Posts:
    10,523
    Trophy Points:
    272
    Location:
    Athens Greece
    Likes:
    +9,489
    Hm?
     
  20. LeoJ

    LeoJ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2019
    Posts:
    1,048
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Likes:
    +1,276
    While I’m actually glad they made him the entire battleship (and prefer it) I’m pretty sure I would’ve bought the citadel only version too, unless they handled the rest of the ship poorly or something. Random thought but I think that would be cool to have as a legends figure