I find that an axe is kinda too barbaric in nature for Optimus, and then find it funny that the the one iteration that made sense for him to wield one doesn't have it (Fire Convoy; fire&rescue should have an axe at the ready!)

 

Barbaric? Megatron has freaking flail as his weapon. Those things ain’t pleasant  

 

Megatron is a former gladiator, though, where a flail or spiked mace is quite likely to be seen - at least if cartoons have taught me anything accurate. Also nets, spears, and tigers... each of which Megatron is disappointingly short of.

You could argue that a sword is a more civilised weapon, but realistically they're all pretty barbaric. That's kinda the point of weapons when you think about it.

 

Which is why Bayformer Op with wrist swords or a knight with a shield and a sword is better

 

Bayformer Prime has an ax too. In fact, he had a trailer full of weapons.

 

Personally, as a fan of all of Transformers, I just ignore the toxic or petty fans rather than try to instigate anything. When you're a fan of the entire franchise, you learn there's folks on every "side" that can be really shallow, and they like to turn everything into "us vs them" arguments. These folks will likely never change their mind, so trying to convince them of anything is a waste of time, but they're not representative of what all the fans of any one series are like. Plently of people are fine with letting others enjoy what they like, they just don't stand out amongst the vulgar, triggerhappy people who are ready to start throwing around labels and strawmen arguments at the drop of a hat. But also, it goes both ways. Don't generalize all G1 fans as being Geewunners or Bay haters or whatever if you don't want to open yourself to criticism. Basically, don't feed the trolls and don't be a prick.

 

I think, as a geewinner myself, Optimus and Megatron were adept at range attacks with guns and cannons. But there were occasions where pure energy axes and flails were necessary for close quarters melee combat. However, my child like mind attributed its only 1 appearance logically to what the theme of the early 1st 2 seasons conveyed...
Energy and its conservation were a necessity, to rebuilding Cybertron and winning the war. The whole premise of why they left Cybertron in the first place. So there were better ways of combat due to not using that much Energon to generate those weapons.

Still, any true G1 translation of Prime Should come with an Axe.

 

Been hearing that this guy got shut down. Any truth to that before I dig through 100+ pages?

Also is there any kind of disambiguation page for versions of this prime?

 

It's all hearsay at the moment. The fact that TW just released images of the accessories makes it seem that the project is still moving forward.

 

No Confirmation or Truth at this Point.
Hope Shutdown is not True.

However, unlike different 3rd Party Figures Cancellation and Shutdown Speculation, Rumor this time comes from Vendors.

But as many People said, TW still works on the Figure with additional Weapons, so it is only a Heavy Delay to 2020.

Release of Freedom Leader and Orion Knight will not be so soon.

People often forget about the "Test Sample" Rule.

AFTER Test Samples Reviews start to show up on Youtube, the Figure will be released around 2-3 Months later.

It was ALWAYS like this.

In Case of Orion Knight and Freedom Leader:
There are not even Test Samples around.

So do not expect a Release soon.
Not even January 2020....far later would be my guess

 

Maybe the mods should add "NOT CANCELED" to the thread title.

 

For the love of god, please mods, please do this....

 

I didn't miss it. I get what you are talking about. DX9 and UT designs do sometimes look like they would benefit from some sculpt polishing. But those ILM files make the difference when you model something in 3D as opposed to doing it out of a few screen caps and flat promotional CG pics. Freedom leader here gets away with it thanks to the fantastic paintjob… but you zoom in into it as much as you do with the Megatron head and you see that the detail isn’t in the same league as the 3A Optimus. The 3A looks like it has layers of working pieces atop more working and moving pieces whereas the TW looks just like molded detail that here and there had to be interpreted out of stills with a nice paintjob to make it look nice.

Paint does a lot to bring out the intricacies of sculpts or to kill them. Compare a “ready for action” paintjob for some Warhammer minis in just three colors…



To another paintjob on the same minis meant to bring out the details using more paint:



Same way a bland sculpt can be made awesome with paint:

Look how much inteesting the detailed red helmet is compared to the bare sculpt.

So what I think is that UT fucked up in the paint department by being cheap and not in the sculpt since an even more detailed sculpt based on interpretations of stills would still look flat and dead without painted details and washes.

 

I see what you mean, but megs has a much smaller amount of details that would be apparent even with paint. As to TW, the head-sculpt while slightly off in proportions, has nearly every single detail/panel line from the screen cap.
(I kinda think UT is having a hard time transitioning from G1 detailing....)

 

I think you’re right, they’re stuck in g1 mode

 

I understand that many people want to see optimus as some kind of robot messiah. But let's be honest here, in any war, soldiers and warriors must commit brutalities. I for one, do not subscribe to the idea that the act of killing makes anyone more 'heroic'. So i dont think it really matters what kind of weapon optimus holds. He is a symbolic character, and he isn't symbolic because of his weapon(in G1, his final battle against megatron was a fist fight). But i do think the energon blades from the bay films look really sweet. Kinda reminds of the Energon axe, but dual wielding.
However if we look closely, the movie set designers are the ones who put careful thought into the weapons of choice. For example, against sentinel prime, a swordsman with good counter-attacking and defensive skills, a heavy axe makes sense because shielding against such a heavy blow will knock him off-balance and lower his defence. Other times, the weapons are there to match the theme. Knight prime is self explanatory.

 

You've given me some stuff to think about, but I will say that I sure hope you're this critical of the G1 side of fans, and ask them not to be pricks as well. I simply pointed out a way that G1 fans can be hypocritical or just a bit goofy (holding things in super high regard for the same reasons that some of them bash the movieverse for), but it's up to you to decide if that's gewunner bashing or feeding the trolls or whatever though.

Interesting and I agree with really liking the care and detail put in by the artists. I just think certain weapons fit in with Optimus' displays of power. If he's a good tactician he wouldn't relegate himself to sniping or wielding small arms unless he really had to since he has many thousands of bots under his command. Anyway, just some fun speculation.

 

Why are there so many anti-G1 posts lately?  

 

Because G1 is cancelled.

 

Oh. Well damn. Did anybody else know about this? I just kinda' thought we were on season 35 of the cartoon by now and I had some serious catching up to do.