Tim Burton’s Batman discussion

Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by QLRformer, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. TattooedRobot

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    Okay I’ll work up a list for you. If Cassandra Cain is about as far back as you go, then you have a lot of good Batman to catch up with. The Animated Series was good at homages to a lot of batbooks from the past. Timm, Dini and crew know their Batman. So you should make a lot of fun connections. I am still mired down in rewatching Tomino series from 40 years ago.

    Speaking of redraws and Barbara, Over the Edge is amazing. And I generally hate those type of plot gimmicks.

    I think a lot of people feel that way about the Animated Series.
     
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    If you enjoyed Adam doing the voice, Check out this Series



    That is if you haven’t already
    That was a fantastic episode

    I know I just had to say it
     
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    Over the Edge is amazing, but, it also disappointed me when it was found out to be a dream. When I first watched it when it was new, it got me really hyped. Because when I watched it, it was like right before Batman Beyond came out. So, I thought this was leading into Batman Beyond. And, Barbara died and all. And, this was the end of Batman. And, then it was all a dream.

    I do have a lot of older books than Cassandra Cain, but that's the only thing I've read issue-to-issue for. Well, DC wise. I picked up like the first 12 issues of Power Pack at goodwill once, for 25 cents each. (It was on sale.) I think I also picked up 10 issues of something else from Marvel that day. Supreme something. I'll look it up at some point.

    Idk if Timm and crew knew their Batman, but they sure did know how to write interesting characters, and create wonderful atmospheres for that world they created. They did a wonderful job making me love that version of Batman, indeed.

    I'm actually planning on watching Mask of The Phantasm tonight. My favorite Batman movie.

    Yea, I know all about Filmation's Batman series.

    I personally prefer this show:



    Which is the one I was talking about.
     
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    You were disappointed?
    I thought it was done very well but I knew from the start it was some form of a dream or ultimate reality story

    also, it aired the season before Batman Beyond aired so I wasn’t really expecting it to lead into the newer series ........ But maybe that’s just the way my head works
    I know which one you were talking about I just thought you might enjoy the filmmation one, if you don’t know about it
    Squadron supreme perhaps?
    Were they a group or an individual character book?
     
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    Yea, not saying it is a bad episode, I like the episode. But, man, would that have been a great setup for Batman Beyond. So, yea, disappointed.

    I know all about Filmation's animation. Like I said, I am mostly an animation guy.

    I don't recall. I'll have to find it. I've never read it. Squadron Supreme sounds about right though. I did read the first twelve issues of Power Pack. That was great.

    Also, here is why you are much harder to understand than you think you are:
    Ultimate, or, did you mean alternate? Because these have two entirely different meanings.
     
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    Yeah I meant alternate

    I’m using a voice to text program every now and then it misunderstands me ,my apologies

    And I remember the first time I read the early issues of power pack, damn good stuff
     
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    Yea, the voice to text, makes it sound like you do not speak English as a first language. Nothing wrong with that. But, you are very difficult to understand while using it. Thus, making me have to interrupt what it is you are saying.
     
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    Again my apologies
     
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    Just saw this thought of you two,

    DBE8D3A2-C94F-4DBE-ACB0-F099915C5FEE.jpeg
     
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    Batman didn’t eat anyone lol
     
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    Well, that we saw on screen anyways. :lol 
     
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    All this debate about Keaton’s Batman killing, I’m just gonna drop this here.

     
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    That reminds me, I wrote a short article on Anton Furst (re Batman 1989) a few years back (2014).
    Peruse at your leisure....
    BAT-GENIUS: Anton Furst – He Made Nightmares into Reality

    a quick exctract:

    "Here’s to BAT-GENIUS Anton Furst – gone, but never forgotten, he built a Gotham big enough for the whole world to live in. He imagined (with Superfriend Tim Burton) the most amazing bad-ass nightmarish cool and sexy Batmobile that ever existed. He gave us the Gothic nightmare Caligari-esque collective psyche-as-city Gotham that we all remember. Rather than be obsessed by how he died, let’s celebrate how he lived, and his unique artistic contributions to the world."
     
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    The thing about Keaton's Batman killing is he doesn't outright kill a person in the first Burton movie. Even Joker didn't die directly by his hands.

    It's Returns where he blantantly killed someone by strapping a bomb to them.
     
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    I don’t see much difference between strapping a bomb to someone and strapping a stone Gargoyle to the joker while he was already in the middle of climbing a latter into a helicopter
     
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    That’s because there isn’t one. On a side note when firing belt-fed machine guns from one’s Bat Plane or Car you may inadvertently kill someone.
     
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    Key wordS “You may”
     
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    Nolan’s Batman is far more brutal in terms of dispatching people. I don’t really care if Batman kills people inadvertently as long as he isn’t shooting them or whatever. The bomb in the pants is just dumb and too much of Burton’s dark circus bullshit he has to put in every movie. You throw a criminal off a bell tower well that shit just happens. The Joker and Ra’s al Ghul kills do not sit right with me.
     
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    I can almost be more forgiving of (Burton’s) Joker killing if (big if) you can believe Batman didn’t think that Gargoyle would break off his perch
     
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    There is a very big difference. He strapped Joker's leg to the gargoyle to stop him from getting away. Joker made the choice to continue trying to ascend the helicopter ladder without removing the cable. By that logic then, Batman killed Matches Malone for the bullet Matches fired at Batman bouncing off the wall, killing him. Then Batman took his identity.

    The dude with the bomb had no choice because Batman knocked him out and tossed him into a sewer. That's like the equivalent to that terrible Neal Adams Batman Odyssey story where Batman just shoots Sensei in the spine with a magnum and it blows half of his organs out through his chest.