Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by Pando, May 10, 2020.
If cybertronians in G1 are "highly advanced" why couldn't they heal Optimus Prime in the 80s movie
I don’t understand how g1 cartoon megatron started a war that nearly destroyed a planet
Simple. Everyone in the G1 cartoon universe has just as much (or rather, as little) common sense as he does!
Why didn't the Decepticons kill the Autobots for sure before leaving the ark? Later in the episode Megatron says, "The Autobots? Alive? Impossible!"
all of it.. the answer is always the plot.
If they changed things, then the story they are writing would be different.
Lord of the Ring.. giant eagles... fly over volcano, drop ring, story is over.
Marvel movies, boom, send Captain Marvel to take out Thanos, or simpler, use Dr. Strange to travel back in time and talk to child Thanos to teach him better, or go further in time to set up birth control for his world population... and poof, story is over.
Every fictional story out there, the "wrong/bad/hard decision" is the key to the story, almost all movies, book, comic are the same... at least the cheesy stuff.
Even worse are the "new power that can fix everything" that's forgotten the next day,show/movie/book/etc.
Heck, one shot and a fodder decepticon dies, no one cares at all, heck, hundreds of them, one Autobot gets hurt and it's "how dare you, this is unbelievable, he must be avenged!!!"
And of course, one shot, fodder characters are dead, but main ones, will either "survive" take a dozen shots and still be able to fight some more, if he dies, has the ability to say a speech... etc.
James Bond villains explaining the whole plan to the captured James Bond, and telling him the "only way" they can be stopped instead of doing a head shot and double tap and get it over with, instead of that complicated device that offers a chance of escape... if James Bond is their arch-enemy, they they would already know that previous villains did the same and he escaped and destroyed the plans... like shesss. how can you be an evil mastermind and not research your enemy?
Don't get me started on Harry Potter!!! Just the time turner would completely destroy the series as a whole.
Crap happens and the writer hits a wall... easy solution: "deux ex machina"... poof, it's resolved.
You need a situation for the story to present the challenge and move the story along.
Transformers, one moment they are 100% machines, the next, they are "techno-organic" (CNA instead of DNA), or another story, they are something else completely, always depending on the story going on... it's crappy writing, but it's entertainment and for children as the main core of viewers/consumers.
How the power hierarchy works. So let me get this straight. Optimus and Megatron both get to lead their respective factions because they kick ass the most in combat, instead of orating or leadership skills, an election or the like? I thought Autobots and Decepticons function like governments, not fight clubs. I mean, government officials IRL aren't elected by the colour of their karate belts.
This is an issue I also have with Kamen Rider where an evil CEO with no muscle who's never seen lifting a barbell can fight 3 Riders at once just because he's bad...?
True. True. What kills me is when people try to pull story justifications out of what were clearly non story constraints. Let's have a 10 page discussion on if TM2 Megatron means that there are dragons existing on earth and what that means for other mystical creatures on earth. Or, ORRR.... we could just recognize that some dude decided a dragon would make a cool toy and the show based around toys put it in there because they were required to push toys. There's no need to sit there and ponder why all the Autobots were one shot kills at the beginning of the Transformers movie. Did they upgrade their weapons? Were the transformers weakened by earth's atmosphere? No, they weren't producing those toys anymore, and they needed to push this new batch out too, so kill 'em off. Also it's a movie, different rules.
I think that's where some fans lose themselves into the fiction...
Part of why I've doing my comic, just to show a bit of coherence in all the repeated questions about the origins of TFs... I don't expect a huge following, but to show that done right, you can have a proper approach to the story, some logic.
As you state here, I've seen a lot of threads that go on about a particular topic and it ends up examining the item on a frame by frame basis, as if this was a recorded historical moment, instead of a fictional cartoon, where animators simply were given a task to create a scene when X happens, and Y of the conclusion of the scene. That to me, is way over the top.
Possibly Megatron was worried about more volcanic activity since that was what woke up the Ark in the first place so he wanted to get his men out of their asap.
Well, Megatron really had no reason to assume that they would be repaired. In fact, if Starscream hadn't shot at the Ark, they probably wouldn't have been repaired. Why waste ammo and energy on executing guys who are basically all but dead anyway?
The "wake-up" phase is shown to have taken a fair amount of time between each character being revived and alt reset, easily days. It's a case that we wouldn't have had a story if they wrote it "well, as a bad guy leader, it's only right that I simply destroy all of my enemies bodies while they are completely defenseless". As a bad guy, I would have done it, you would have done it, everyone with intelligence and knowing the circumstances would have done it. At the very least, throw the bodies in a cell/other room, which could have been done as each one of his troops was being revived, and eliminate any possibility of being in the same room of the repair system.
How do Transformers have children? Is this implying that they can reproduce sexually, or do they have an asexual form of reproduction?
I don't understand Hasbro's naming tactics some times. They didn't call a character Wheeljack who was clearly meant to be Wheeljack because they thought it might confuse kids when a different character with the same name died but in the same series had no issues with naming a character Inferno even though they had previously called a Mini-Con Inferno.
There's also the fact that they supposedly replaced Ironhide with Bulkhead because Ironhide had died in an entirely different continuity around the same time but again no issues with Starscream or Soundwave who both died in the same movie because that was an entirely different continuity and doesn't effect Prime. Say what?
Why does their renaming or replacing characters who died effect some characters but not others?
And keep in mind in the first example both characters were from Armada/Energon and in the second example all the characters were from Dark of the Moon and Prime. So they've just randomly decided to do with some characters and not others for no discernable reason.
On top of that... why does Hasbro plan what is suppose to be an aligned continuity where everything is suppose to perfectly line up and connect. They go through all this trouble of making a continuity bible... but then they don't enforce it and allow different creative teams to just do their own thing anyway resulting in a disconnected continuity that makes about as much sense as trying to connect RID2001 and the Unicron Trilogy as sequels to G1.
Why doesn't Hasbro just let the WRITERS decide how their own stories should go and stop trying to force continues where there aren't any. Or at the very least have their different creative teams actually work together so they're not constantly contradicting each other.
They could have vultured the Autobots for parts, ammo, and energon.
This is a good point. *Shrugs* I give up trying to explain the Decepticons' stupid decision. Because the toys said so.
How does transforming even work? Their bodies are not solid bodies, but instead several individual components connected tangentially by smaller hinges and joints. Is every tiny part attached to circuits and wires and have its own little motor or hydraulics to move? Why do some TFs more-or-less dice up their bodies when transforming? Take G1 Megatron, whose head and torso aren't even properly connected. How does that even work, why does that even work? What purpose does having such a complicated transformation serve? How do they maintain structural integrity when all their bits are held together by tenuous connections that also must act as independent articulation points?
Following that, how the hell is a T-cog a thing? One component governing all those parts' movements, yet not connected to normal articulation? If a character like Windcharger, who transforms simply by laying down with his legs folded up, lost his T-cog what is logically preventing him from simply transforming "manually?" And what poor design is that in a species that's entire gimmick is transforming and having parts of their bodies rearrange for weaponry and devices to have a single mechanical component not simply linked to it, but facilitating it. The compromises made to design just to make that possible are extreme enough, all to basically give any Transformer and Achilles heel for plots to stop their ability to transform. Shouldn't the brain/processor determine that along with every other function? It's like if we had a bone that specifically let us sit down, but we could still make the sitting pose, just not literally plant our butts on a surface to rest.
This is all ignoring the normal physics and mechanics that even go into creating robots of that size, but within the realm of the universe where these limitations don't exist and/or are conquered by powers unknown to us, how do T-cogs and having such varied transformations make even the smallest amount of sense or practicality?
I'm guessing T-Cogs allow for the joints required to make the transformation happen to move, therefore helping them transform. For example, in order for Bumblebee to transform, his arms have to fold out and his legs have to extend, and for Optimus his arms have to fold out and his legs have to push forward, and in the cartoon, his wheels also have to fold in. Without the T-Cog, those joints stay locked in place, except of course guys like Windcharger whose legs just fold up, in which case I have no idea.
It's called budding. It was introduced in the Marvel G2 comics and hasn't really been touched on since then.
Though we do learn that through this process, Megatron is descended from Liege Maximo.
Never had an issue with this... until the Micheal Bay films where the transformation involves the solid vehicle breaking up into thousands of little pieces to get to robot mode and some how managing to convert back to vehicle mode again without thousands of new panel lines appearing which shouldn't be possible.
Yeah realistically every one of those moving parts should have it's own T-Cog. There can't be just ONE cog that does that all. I mean that's not even how a cog works, it shouldn't be able to do anything if there's only one.
Speaking of which that's one of the contradictions I mentioned before. Silas couldn't make his own transformer without stealing a T-Cog from a real Transformer but Doctor Morocco was able to build his own transformers without any issues what so ever and we're suppose to believe that these exist in the same continuity? And some people have mentioned well the RB transformations aren't that complicated but they still have T-Cogs, they've been mentioned in the show before they just never used it as a plot device for Doctor Morocco to be able to build his Morbots. It just doesn't make sense why it's a necessary component for Silas to be able to build Nemesis Prime but Doctor Morocco can facilitate his Morbots transforming without even being aware that the T-Cog is a thing. One show made it seem impossible without this part while the other made it seem like it wasn't a big deal. As if the T-Cog was really more the thing that scans new vehicle forms and don't actually cause the transformation to happen.
This wouldn't be an issue if they were totally different continuities which the really should be but the T-Cog both being super important and impossible to replicate and not important at all and easy for someone who doesn't even know it's a thing to replicate in the same universe makes no sense.
I also don't understand the thought process behind... Mass shifting isn't realistic so lets not do that but we will over complicate the transformations to the point where matter has to be able to phase shift through other matter and parts have to be able to break apart and heal themselves in order for the transformation to work which is more unrealistic so lets do that instead? The mass shifting was more plausible than breaking the laws of physics thousands of times per transformation.
What does bring “highly advanced" have to go with the ability to heal others?
. You forget, changing the past doesn’t effect your present
the grandfather paradox cannot exist
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