They were created at the same time?!

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  1. JazzIsBack

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    In 5 faces of darkness Rodimus travels into the matrix and learns from previous Primes it was Quintessons who built them.
     
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    They are robots, yes they were built. Built and born are the same thing here. It is a question of who built (gave them life) them. In the original story line, Prima was the first Cybertronina to be born from a peice of Primus's (Cybertron) spark. Prima, Knowing that she could not protect Primus on her own sacrificed her life and spark to make the original 13 Primes. 1 Prime had a falling out with the other 12 and sided with Unicron, Primus's brother, and became known as the fallen. The other 12 primes developed the process of building/creating Cybertronins and swore to protect their planet. It was far after that that the Quintessons invaded Cybertron.
     
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    I know the Quints built a few, I don't buy they built the entire race.
     
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    The Creators built them, but they sustained ecosystems and created new life.
     
  5. SideSwipe154

    SideSwipe154 Not a Decepticon

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    Lockdown clearly stared "You were built" to Optimus. Seeing as how he didn't say "we" I assumed it was Optimus alone that was built by the Creators, not the entire Cybertronian race.
     
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    well, not necessarily. It seemed like he was trying to demean Optimus personally.
     
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    What if, the creators created the first Transformers, then the ancient first Transformers created the Allspark so new Transformers could keep being made.
     
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    That's.....That's not a half bad theory.
     
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    Wow!!! You said absolutely incredible things:)  But I'm sure that Cybertronians knows (even in the depths of the soul!)that they wasn't created - they WAS BIRTHED form the Allspark!
     
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    yeah they never get into specifics in the movie so no one can say. hope they never do because it falls apart when you look too closely.
     
  11. ChaosDonkey

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    That is not the original story line. That is one of the story lines.
    In the g1 cartoon, the quintessons made two lines of sentient robots.
    One line as labor, the other line as military.
    Later the first line became the Autobots, and the second Decepticons.
    The Rebelion against them was started by an old bot named A3, who also later rebuilt Orion Pax into Optimus Prime.
    Also the thirteen was not a part of the G1 cartoon continuity.
     
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    The origin of the Allspark as well as its intended purpose has always been unknown. According to Cybertronian legend, it created the transformers race as well as the planet Cybertron. However, this is still a legend (which was not clarified in the first film), and no one really knew how the transformers came to be (because no one was around to see it happen). The transformers did know that the Allspark had the power to create life, so it was easy to assume that it created the transformers and the planet Cybertron based on its observed abilities.

    Basically, we just found out that the Allspark legend was false, at least according to Lockdown. We still know nothing about the Allspark aside from its powers. The matter of differing ages is more or less an oversight in the writing, and it's been an inconsistency in other story lines too.
     
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    The concept of the thirteen didn't even exist until 2004, though a similar concept called the covenant was introduced in 2000. With the G1 cartoon, it is learned in Five Faces Of Darkness that the Quintessons built the Transformers in 2 different lines, labor (Autobots) and military (deceptions). The creators cruel treatment led to a rebellion with A3 at the helm. In the movie-verse, all we know about their origins, is that the allspark gave them life. The thing is, they don't know the allspark came from, in OP's very own words "we know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life". Hear me out, so what if the 7 primes ( being the first wave of Cybertronians) were essentially made to do the Creator's dirty work, and then the Primes rebelled and were too large to control, so the quintiessons create the allspark to be able to spawn Cybertronians more efficiently and make them far more manageable, hence the difference in size between the current TF's and the 7 primes. Over time however, the new Transformers gained more intellectual freedom, and decided to rebel again, this time getting the quints off of Cybertron for good.
     
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    The films say nothing of Orion Pax; it's safe to assume that Orion Pax is not an alias of Optimus Prime in the films.
     
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    It never said the creators built all Transformers just said they built the knights and those ships and used seeds to make metal to make Transformers to melt it down for the metal for someone to build transformers.

    Yeah if you want to go G1 Cybertron was the Quintessons home world and factory they made products then made those products build other ones.
     
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    Bay and co. didn't make that plot hole. You did. Nowhere in the movies is it stated that Optimus used to be Orion Pax.

    Also, you didn't even think through your own statement, which doesn't actually make any logical sense. Even IF he used to be Orion Pax, but became Optimus Prime later, if the creators made Orion Pax, then they made him. A name change and upgrade doesn't somehow erase his entire history.

    Finally, nowhere in the movie does it say that the creators made all the Transformers. They could easily have made the Primes and Knights and the Allspark, so that the Transformers could reproduce on their own. That would still mean the creators were responsible for making the Transformers. Setting up a factory, regardless of how high-tech it is, doesn't mean that you are not the "creator" of what that factory produces.